FW: The Martyrdom of the Bab

2005-07-09 Thread Khazeh Fananapazir
Tablet Concerning the Day of the Martyrdom of His Holiness, the Exalted One by Abdu'l-Bahá Published in Ayyam-i-Tis'ih [The Nine Days] pages 187-88 Los Angeles: Kalimat Press, 1981 Found on the internet Original Persian Text http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/c/AT/at-187.html#pg187 http://referen

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab : understandings and misunderstandings

2004-05-12 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Scott wrote: < As to the Muslim idea that all He had to do was speak and be saved, I am not entirely sure they have a good embrace of what His motives were at the time. Purely my own opinion, of course, but on this particular incident we have little else to go on but our own understandings and mis

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread Ahang . Rabbani
Hi Patti, > even I, a relative novice with a rifle, can > group shots in a 12" diameter at 100 yards). I suspect you're using a relatively modern rifle. It would be different results using a 1830's or 40's French or Russian substandard guns sold to Iranian military. > I wonder it the sketch

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread Patti Goebel
"Fourth, most firing squads consist of 5 to 8 soldiers.  No military commander is going to waste that much powder and bullet for the execution of a single convict, regardless of the rank of the prisoner. . . . " Hello Ahang,   I was just reading The Dawn-Breakers, so it's fresh in my mind, a

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread James Mock
>The argument "He is God!" may work with those who believe in God parting seas or doing other cute miracles, but since harmony of faith and science is enjoined upon us, let's look for rational explanations. "He is God" is not meant to be either an "argument" nor a fundamentalistic response.   It

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread Ahang . Rabbani
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Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread James Mock
>Are there other theories? He is God! __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PRO

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread Ahang . Rabbani
tudies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:Re: Martyrdom of the Bab "We don't even know for sure it was a miracle. Remember, the regiment in question had no wish to kill the Bab." Susan, Yes, it's true that the leader of the regiment did not wish to kill t

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread Patti Goebel
"We don't even know for sure it was a miracle. Remember, the regiment in question had no wish to kill the Bab."   Susan,   Yes, it's true that the leader of the regiment did not wish to kill the Bab; however, I doubt that he could have ordered his 750 soldiers to shoot for the ropes and for a

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread Patti Goebel
> suppose He just walked or ran back while the smoke was in the air. How long > would it have taken Him to get back, and could He have done so in time if I'm not certain exactly how far apart the two doors were. But, from this description in The Dawn-Breakers, which places the nail in the wall

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/12/2004 7:41:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another question springs to mind on this topic: why did the miracle have to happen in the first place?  If miracles are no proof of Prophethood, what was the point of it all?  Dear David, We don't even k

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 5/12/2004 6:41:26 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another question springs to mind on this topic: why did the miracle have to happen in the first place?  If miracles are no proof of Prophethood, what was the point of it all?  Couldn't God have just made sur

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread David Friedman
Another question springs to mind on this topic: why did the miracle have to happen in the first place? If miracles are no proof of Prophethood, what was the point of it all? Couldn't God have just made sure that the Bab got all out He wanted to say the first time and not had the Bab miraculous

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 5/11/2004 4:46:04 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They said that if only the Bab had been able to keep his composure He could have stood before the crowd and proclaimed Himself the Mahdi and no one would have denied Him. But in His confusion He ended up run

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-11 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/11/2004 8:52:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I never have considered teleportation to be an issue. The simple shock of facing death, hearing the crash of the muskets and suddenly dropping to the ground as the rope was cut would have been incapacitating f

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 5/10/2004 11:38:16 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: would it have taken Him to get back, and could He have done so in time if there was no teleportation?  If He entered into the room and didn't just 'appear' there, where would the door be that He entered, an

Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-10 Thread David Friedman
I had assumed until not long ago that when the Bab disappeared when shot at the first time He was teleported by God back to where He was before. But I suppose He just walked or ran back while the smoke was in the air. How long would it have taken Him to get back, and could He have done so in t