Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-09 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/9/19 9:14 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > >> On Jul 8, 2019, at 11:27 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> ... >> On 7/6/19 12:57 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >>> There's the MAIL-11 protocol (end to end, no MTAs) and the DECmail protocol >>> which may be some OSI-like t

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-09 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg via cctalk
> MMDF MMDF was[*] an MTA, not a protocol. (See also PMDF.) --lyndon * Is anyone still running MMDF? The last production shops I had my fingers in that ran it was circa 1996. That was when SCO was still a thing, and MMDF was its MTA of choice.

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-09 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jul 8, 2019, at 11:27 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > On 7/6/19 12:57 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> There's the MAIL-11 protocol (end to end, no MTAs) and the DECmail protocol >> which may be some OSI-like thing, I'm not sure anymore. > > I guess I don't know enou

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-08 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk
> How many different protocols / methods can we collectively come up with > for how email can be transferred? There is the old AUTODIN system, which is email before email was "invented". I have never seen the protocol details, but there can not be much to it. -- Will

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-08 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
I'm combining my replies into one message to avoid spamming the mailing list. Thank you all for intriguing responses. :-) On 7/5/19 3:28 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: · FidoNet (FTN) As long as we're being silly, this isn't really one protocol. There are a number of different ones,

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-06 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Those who quibble about the ftp being a separate entity from mail protocol would do well to look at RFC 524 from 1973. There, the MAIL command is implemented within the ftp structure (that is, it is an ftp command). I've found it interesting that 524 never addresses the matter of data representat

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-06 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > Here's pot stirrer for a holiday Friday afternoon: > > How many different protocols / methods can we collectively come up with for > how email can be transferred? > > I'm primarily thinking about between servers (MTA-to-MTA

QSIC, was: Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-06 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2019-07-06 10:53, David Bridgham via cctalk wrote: > Obviously that message wasn't supposed to go to the list.  I forget how > the list re-writes the message headers like that.  Sorry about that. Don't worry. It fits the subject, "Email methods" ;-) And good to hear, you're making progress on

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-06 Thread David Bridgham via cctalk
Obviously that message wasn't supposed to go to the list.  I forget how the list re-writes the message headers like that.  Sorry about that. Dave

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-06 Thread David Bridgham via cctalk
On 7/6/19 8:46 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > So here's one I'm not sure anyone else will catch: TFTP has an email mode! I knew about that one. :-)  Did anyone other than CSR ever use it? Not much airplane news.  I've spent some time chasing down wheels and brakes for the Galaxie.  The d

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-06 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Grant Taylor > How many different protocols / methods can we collectively come up with > for how email can be transferred?' Hey, this is the classic computers list, so you should only list early stuff, (say pre-1990), and leave out all the modern crap (but I repeat myself). S

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Jason T via cctalk
On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 16:05 Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > Here's pot stirrer for a holiday Friday afternoon: > > How many different protocols / methods can we collectively come up with > for how email can be transferred? > > I'm primarily thinking about between servers (MTA-to-MTA). But I'm al

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 03:05:32PM -0600, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: [...] > How many different protocols / methods can we collectively come up with for > how email can be transferred? I use rsync (over ssh) for transferring between a couple of my mail servers. It is perhaps one of my favourit

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Grant Taylor wrote: Here's pot stirrer for a holiday Friday afternoon: It's not a holiday in most of the world, including where I am, however... How many different protocols / methods can we collectively come up with for how email can be transferred? I'm primarily thinking about between

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/5/19 5:28 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > · FidoNet (FTN) > > As long as we're being silly, this isn't really one protocol. There are > a number of different ones, which can probably mostly be characterized > as thin wrappers (FTS-0001, Yoohoo(/2u2), etc) around common file > trans

RE: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
These days Microsoft Exchange uses SMTP Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via > cctalk > Sent: 05 July 2019 22:06 > To: cctalk > Subject: Email delivery protocols / methods. > > Here's pot stirrer for a holiday Friday afternoon: > > How many different

RE: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Chris Long via cctalk
This is tedious. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Dennis Boone via cctalk Sent: 05 July 2019 22:29 To: Grant Taylor ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Email delivery protocols / methods. > · FidoNet (FTN) As long as we're being sil

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> · FidoNet (FTN) As long as we're being silly, this isn't really one protocol. There are a number of different ones, which can probably mostly be characterized as thin wrappers (FTS-0001, Yoohoo(/2u2), etc) around common file transfer protocols (zmodem, xmodem, and others). De

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Diane Bruce via cctalk
On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 05:09:13PM -0400, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > · SMTP(S) > > FTP was used before SMTP existed. yep ;) > > De -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Diane Bruce via cctalk
On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 03:05:32PM -0600, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > Here's pot stirrer for a holiday Friday afternoon: > > How many different protocols / methods can we collectively come up with > for how email can be transferred? > > I'm primarily thinking about between servers (MTA-to-M

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> · SMTP(S) FTP was used before SMTP existed. De