Sunder wrote:
> Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the
> shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero
> gravity... uh huh.
Lothe though I am to shed doubt on your consipiracy theories - but the
shuttle was on its way *down*. Why would they be bringin
Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have
been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy satelites, or
repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them.
Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the
shuttle to do experime
At 12:26 PM 02/02/2003 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
"Truth" is no longer the opposite of false. It is what makes the Sheeple
act according to the morality of the day.
Hey, it's Chinese New Year, and my calendar says that this is
The Year of the Sheep. So I guess they're just going with the flow.
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 05:42 PM, Dave Howe wrote:
Sunder wrote:
Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the
shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero
gravity... uh huh.
Lothe though I am to shed doubt on your consipiracy theories - but th
At 10:19 AM 02/02/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:
Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris
has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched.
They're also saying that Feds will come and arrest you if you touch them.
You'll have to draw your own conclusions ab
--- Eric Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb
> I'm not sure which is more irritating-- the obvious
> way in which
> the govermedia manipulate the issue, or their
> automatic assumption that
> americans are too stupid/criminal to turn in all the
> parts they
> find if NASA just said "w
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:19:27AM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA
> wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are
> no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces.
> And they certainly
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 04:11 PM, Sunder wrote:
Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have
been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy
satelites, or
repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them.
Let's see, we're going into w
As some friends in the U.S. space program had privately predicted, and the
New York Times is today reporting, unless the problem with the Shuttle can
be quickly identified and convincingly rectified to worried legislators,
the International Space Station may have to be moth balled and the NASA
Watching some of the news coverage of the search (from the aptly named
Palestine, Texas), it's clear that no search warrants are being gotten
for the debris searchers to enter farms, yards, backyards, corporation
lands, ranches, etc. The cameras show them simply vaulting fences and
looking for
At 8:27 PM -0800 2/2/03, Steve Schear wrote:
>As some friends in the U.S. space program had privately predicted, and the
>New York Times is today reporting, unless the problem with the Shuttle can
>be quickly identified and convincingly rectified to worried legislators,
>the International Space Sta
(I am replying to the CP list, but suppressing the name of the poster.
He/she sent his/her comments to a "recipient list suppressed" private
distribution. If people send me comments, don't expect to me to just
take them in silence. I will, however, suppress the author unless and
until too many
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:27:06PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
> I can't imagine that it would be so difficult to construct a small,
> remotely-controlled, gyro stabilized, tethered probe that would be carried
> on all shuttle missions and could be deployed from the cargo bay to closely
> inspect
Think upgrading of circuit boards. Remove old board, insert new board for
example. Leaving the old board circling around may not be a good
thing. Just for example.
--Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---
+ ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear
At 10:19 AM 2/2/03 -0800, Tim May wrote:
...
Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie
about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because
these so-called journalists are stooges for the state.
Well, the bit about "18 times the speed of light," an
On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Eric Cordian wrote:
> The look on your fellow astronauts'
> faces right before the grenade you are
> holding explodes --PRICELESS
Please. If we're going to toss around conspiracy theories, let's make sure
they are sane. I am having a hard time imagining
Yeah, I got the same thing. When I went to do a group reply, it had no CC:,
just Steve. I've been noticing the same thing with Declan's messages. Weird.
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 11:15:19PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Ralph Seberry wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 0
At 12:26 PM -0800 2/2/03, Eric Cordian quoted:
>In another teletext moment on CNN, the shuttle was described as traveling
>at "Mock 18."
We mach (sic) their idiocy.
Cheers - Bill
-
Bill Frantz | Due process for al
Bill Frantz wrote:
> At 10:19 AM -0800 2/2/03, Tim May wrote:
> >Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at
> >the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18
> >times faster than the speed of light."
> "Please mister spaceman, won't you please take
At 01:56 PM 2/2/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
Yes perhaps. I try not to think too much (I don't trust 'thinking' unless
its mathematics or a good experimental setup), but I'll ponder for a
while, to the extent that I am able
Well, my response was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, of c
John Kelsey wrote...
"For some reason I've never been able to fathom, many journalists seem to be
remarkably gullable, when they're told something from the right kind of
source, especially a government agency or other official source."
Chomsky (dig around on http://www.zmag.org/weluser.htm) and
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Ralph Seberry wrote:
On Sunday, 02 Feb 2003 at 20:57, Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(I am replying to the CP list, but suppressing the name of the poster.
He/she sent his/her comments to a "recipient list suppressed" private
distribution. If people
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 08:38:48AM -0500, Alkesh M. Desai wrote:
> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=carter
>
>
>http://news.google.com/news?q=cluster:www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraque/0,6119,2-10-1460_1314911,00.html
>
> http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraque/0,6119,2-10-1460_1314911,00.h
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate
Release
February 3, 2003
Project BioShield
TODAYS PRESIDENTIAL ACTION
X In his State of the Union Address, President Bush announced
Project BioShield -- a comprehensive effort to develop and make available
modern, effective
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 11:07 PM, John Kelsey wrote:
A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA
wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There
are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these
pieces. And they certainly did
at Monday, February 03, 2003 3:48 AM, Sunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
seen to say:
> Think upgrading of circuit boards. Remove old board, insert new
> board for example. Leaving the old board circling around may not be
> a good thing. Just for example.
Yeah, makes sense. ok, I withdraw my objecti
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=carter
http://news.google.com/news?q=cluster:www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraque/0,6119,2-10-1460_1314911,00.html
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraque/0,6119,2-10-1460_1314911,00.html
http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=75983
http://www.c
On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Sunder wrote:
> Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have
> been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy satelites, or
> repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them.
>
> Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and
Sigh, for the nth time already: While it's likely that bare boards,
replacement and replaced parts, manuals, access codes to tell the satelite
it's being worked on, etc... would burn up, pieces that were shielded
would survive. Think!
--Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 12:48 AM, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
The only theory that I find remotely worth pursuing is that the shuttle
was bringing something back to earth that didn't want to come down. Tim
seems to have thoughts about this -- how easily could a satellite be
designed with a "se
Several years ago, some tiles got off the shuttle during liftoff. Being
afraid of the condition of space shuttle a Keyhole spy satelite was used to
examine the bottom of the space shuttle...
Why hell in a mission with more than 16 days in space, they didn't do it
again? The KH satellites too b
> ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched
> some component which made them slightly ill.
Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty
sick...
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
> > ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched
> > some component which made them slightly ill.
>
> Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty
> sick...
Gee golly! I'm so glad that CNN told me that the
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 09:18 AM, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched
some component which made them slightly ill.
Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them
pretty
sick...
First, if they are eating shuttle
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:31:35AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
> I'm exagerating for effect here of course...there's possibly not as much
> conscious decision making, and supposedly this kind of list-making happens
> for much quieter, "insider" stuff (not smart bomb footage). But clearly,
> there
Meyer Wolfsheim writes:
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Eric Cordian wrote:
> > The look on your fellow astronauts'
> > faces right before the grenade you are
> > holding explodes --PRICELESS
> Please. If we're going to toss around conspiracy theories, let's make sure
> they are sa
At 12:48 AM 2/3/03 -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
>This isn't to say that force majeure isn't the most likely culprit
here.
>Space travel is inherently dangerous, and I'm honestly surprised that
less
>than 2% of our shuttle flights have resulted in catastrophe.
I heard that at the beginning of the
At 10:19 AM 02/03/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
Looking at this more, I think it's two separate problems. I don't get the
"recipient list suppressed" or whatever it is from Declan's posts, it just
appears that something is wrong with the header, and it's probably something
minder.net is doing
Bill Stewart wrote:
> Tim commented about railroad stations being in the ugly parts of town.
> That's driven by several things - decay of the inner cities,
> as cars and commuter trains have let businesses move out to suburbs,
> and also the difference between railroad stations that were
> built f
> Gold star. Velvet Underground is definitely ground zero for Punk to my ears,
> but with this recent set of pre-Velvets minimalist releases (eg, Dream
> Theater, with LaMount Young, John Cale--who helped start the band I was in,
> and others), the stage was somewhat set.
Yeah, yeah, yeah; I love
Steve Mynott wrote:
> In the UK at least railway stations tend to have been built in the ugly
> parts of towns for good reason -- simply because land is a lot cheaper in
> the low rent parts of town.
>
> Also railways stations and the associated cheap hotels with a large
> transient population te
At 06:18 PM 2/3/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
>> ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched
>> some component which made them slightly ill.
>
>Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them
pretty
>sick...
Yeah, first thing some people will do with space
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:23:58AM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
> At 10:19 AM 02/03/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> > Looking at this more, I think it's two separate problems. I don't get the
> >"recipient list suppressed" or whatever it is from Declan's posts, it just
> >appears that something i
Thomas Shaddack wrote:
> I just hope they won't mothball the ISS...
Not if the scheduled Chinese manned launch goes ahead.
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> I heard that at the beginning of the program, NASA estimated 1 bang
> in about 75 flights. The Palestine meteor shower was flight
> 130-something
> and was bang #2.
Not to mention that it's 10 years past retirement. Not too bad,
but not so good c
Everybody in Europe and the US should
have their genetic fingerprints entered into an
international database to enable law
enforcement agencies to fight crime and
terrorism in an unstable world, according to
James Watson, the co-discoverer of the
DNA double helix.
In an exclusive interview w
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> -
> JW is too old and needs to be lysed.
How about lsd'd? Then he won't know the difference between "real" and his
head :-)
Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike
At 09:09 AM 2/3/03 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>Second, I would do the self-destruct with accelerometers: if several
>accelerations are felt, detonate.
1. Modern munitions arm this way. If you are an artillery shell
and you've been told to arm, and then felt 10s of Gs along
one axis and a lot of rotati
Eugen Leitl wrote:
>
> On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
>
> > I don't know how it works in the US, but railroads are both comfortable
> > and pretty reliable in Europe.
>
> A bit too expensive, especially in Germany. I also like being able to work
> on the train -- given that here cit
> I was shocked to learn Saturday that NASA had not a mechanism to
adequately
> inspect the exterior of the shuttles for damage before the return to
> earth. The reasons given seem to imply that NASA's ability for EVAs was
> very limited and did not generally include on most flight the possibility
>Has anyone run their psychosocial simulators on what happens when Osama
>claims responsibility? Would he try this? What numbers do you get for
>the US pop's reaction?
According to a friend from Ft.Meade, the Oyster (a massive parallel machine) is now at
point 96, which means that it can emula
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 12:06:02PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:
>
> It's easier to just say Allah is on his side and this is proof :-)
Well? Even if they could *prove* total accident, the serendipity of the whole
shows the hand of Allah -- Eve of war, Israeli colonel who bombed the Iraqi nuke
pla
Ken Brown wrote...
"Oh, PERSISTENT rumours eh? So they must be true. The TRANSIENT sort are
just a pack of lies."
No, not saying that. But in Bush's case there's a long enough trail of
circumstatial evidence to merit some investigation.e
AND, totally unfounded rumors tend to go away. Rumors t
Tyler Durden wrote:
> And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental
> DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly
> this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And
> I keep hearing there's video of that bust.)
Huh, so you're subbed to minder.net? And there's never been any problem with
group replies to your posts. So that blows that theory.
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:52:27AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> > So what do we get here
> >
> > --
> > Harmon Seave
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