use currently it would not be allowed.
>
> Where does it say that such images are not allowed?
For sarge, I'm quite convinced that we're not going to do such a big
change (and you can translate it to "not allowed by $team", if you
want). For etch, things are different
y maintainers.
Actually, this was discussed in Vancouver, and has been agreed at - but
well, implementation of other issues had preference (the plan is to both
send a daily summary to debian-testing-changes and to mail the
individual maintainers; perhaps replacing maintainers with bugs is a
good idea
/ftp.debian.org/testing/hints/
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re-read the discussion after Anthonys announcement of the changes,
Marco is right here.
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software released. That was at least the decision in all GRs where
people didn't hide the intents ("editorial changes").
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* Arnaud Vandyck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050322 18:20]:
> As you can read[1] I changed my blog. But I don't remember who can
> change the RSS feed on planet.d.o.
Any DD can. Log into gluck, and take a look at
/org/planet.debian.org/README
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* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050322 13:35]:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 01:28:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050322 13:05]:
> > > In the general case, as I have said before, I don't think anyone would
> >
ge like 'packages for m68k, mips, mipsel, arm, and hppa will
> be announced when ready' if the delay would become unacceptable, or so.
I have heared that the current scripts used on security.debian.org do
not really support this.
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* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050321 00:25]:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:40:43AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > If we don't wait for an arch, it gets out-of-sync quite soon, and due to
> > e.g. legal requirements, we can't release that arch. (In other words, i
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* Peter 'p2' De Schrijver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050321 16:55]:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 03:09:26PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050321 15:05]:
> > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 03:16:08PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > >
* Matthew Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050321 17:05]:
> I'm not going to volunteer for them as I intend to leave Debian
> shortly after sarge releases.
Why do you intend to leave Debian?
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ly great if we can manage to keep the heat out, that
would help us all to do a better (and more enjoyable) job.
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> On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 03:16:08PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > Well, the toolchain is perhaps not the part where they turn up most
> > likely, but it's the part that creates most of the workload and delays.
> Uh.
that the usual child
tools for cracking the systems don't work.
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mirror both archives, and I'd rather
> not waste a few GB on duplicated files.
I don't know if it's a good idea, but it might make use to write a
customized "mirror" script that just creates the appropriate symlinks on
the partial mirrors on your machine again.
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th architectures that don't
need to be able to be in sync with others in testing - and, noauto_weak
on the individual buildds is the correct way for that.
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e.g. subscribe to the debian-release mailing list. We usually notice
people who are doing a great job.
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he workload and delays.
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* Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050317 19:30]:
> Andreas Barth wrote:
> >If we don't wait for an arch, it gets out-of-sync quite soon, and due to
> >e.g. legal requirements, we can't release that arch. (In other words, if
> >an arch is too long ignored for test
chitectures we actually release) instead of 1.
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> Ah, so why is vore down now for some time now? If it's so easy to
that should read as auric of course.
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e down now for some time now? If it's so easy to
replace a broken machine, why don't you just do it? (And, BTW, you might
be on vacation, sick, ... - we need more than just one machine.)
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> > That would cut the number of sparc buildds down to one, when two are
> > required for RC archtectures under the new proposal.
> That's ok because two buildd's can run on the one machine. It has 6 cpu's.
That still doesn't suffic
* Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050316 20:55]:
> Andreas Barth wrote:
> >If that happens for a too long period, we might consider such an
> >architecture to be too slow to keep up, and will eventually discuss
> >about kicking it out of the architectures we wait for testin
ant to become a release assistent.
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> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > | - the release architecture must have N+1 buildds where N is the number
> > | required to keep up with the volume of uploaded packages
> > The reason for this p
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sufficient algorithm knowhow in the debian developer community
> to solve the scalability problems.
Anyone who provides better scalability for britney is welcome.
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* Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050315 12:40]:
> * Andreas Barth
> | (And, BTW, newraff is a quite mature box. Of course, there is always
> | more and better hardware available, but newraff is already a very good
> | machine. And, we want to give the testing migration
er in the long term to make some
"synchronize" runs outside of current britney, as that might be better
in terms of speed and memory usage.
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* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050315 00:00]:
> Colin mentioned the possibility of adding an "Architecture:" field
> instead. That seems better than an etch-ignore tag anyway, for what you
> want to achieve here.
Yes, that sounds well.
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> * Andreas Barth
> | For example, the more architectures are included the longer the migration
> | testing script takes. We are already at the limit currently (and also
> | have out-of-memory issues from time to time).
these issues. Please
accept my apologies for the missing information in the first mail.
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> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > * Hamish Moffatt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050314 01:45]:
> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:16:56PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> >> > Our goal is that the queue
oo late
now, as RC3 should be more or less building).
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porter list might also be enough - or enough bug reports coming from
that arch. Or whatever. I don't expect that to be the blocking critieria
for any arch.
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in time for etch.
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; archive), or does it imply that all packages in base (or base +
> build-essential)
> need to be buildable from unmodified source?
This is a legal/DFSG requirement: We can't distribute binaries without source.
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* Hamish Moffatt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050314 01:55]:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 12:01:59AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > It is a highly ordered list, more or less libs+base first, than devel,
> > shells,
> > perl, python. After that graphics, admin, utils. Just to look at
* Hamish Moffatt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050314 01:45]:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:16:56PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > Our goal is that the queue gets empty from time to time, and so,
> > priority shouldn't prevent a package from being built.
>
> How often should the
o,
non-US and embedded. The large ones like gnome and kde are in the middle
of the list. Please see wanna-builds source for the full list.
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> * Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050312 02:05]:
> > If, perhaps, there was a clear indication of the buildd ordering
> > policy, then it could be properly used. Until then, I go on the basis
> > of guesswo
ut kicking it out of the architectures we wait for testing migration
at all, or even kicking it out of testing at all. Not waiting for such
an arch has happened and might happen again.
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cal...
If you take a look at
http://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph2-week-big.png, you can e.g. see for
mipsel exactly at which date the slow and at which the fast machine
became available again. The fast machine alone is able to keep up with
the usual upload rates.
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t; I'm trying to work out why package *section* matters at all. Package name
> is a bit odd, too, but including the section in there is just totally whack.
Because we want packages in base to be preferred, as well as packages in
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he problem is clearly that gnucash is in the "Extra" priority
> instead of the "Optional" section where it belongs. I'll request the
> ftpmasters to change it.
Our goal is that the queue gets empty from time to time, and so,
priority shouldn't prevent a packag
d is (in this order, first difference wins)
- >= standard
- not uncompiled
- priority of the package
- priority of the section
- name
That all is BTW visible from the code (or you could just ask).
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0 and 1200
> dpi...
It's trivially seen if you print to a real high-quality device, as the
600dpi the too-large pixles can be seen. However, for usual purposes,
you don't need it.
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arge, the number of architectures is not the holding problem. For
post-sarge, there has been some discussion inside the release team and
the ftpmasters that will be published soon.
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> There are sure to be borderline cases, but it usually isn't all that hard
> to tell the difference between appalling style and deliberate obfuscation.
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> the DFSG.
Agreed. Especially as "it's too horibly broken" is by itself a serious
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Actually, I added all extra things in that to the commands listed, so
just use the normal debootstrap, and everything works.
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ned as "the author's most preferred source
> of making modifications".
No. There are people running around claiming this, but that doesn't make
it truth.
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> > What would it take for multibuild to succeed? or something else?
> People who care and have the will to finish it.
As always.
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> :-)
I think this is possible with some special option to apt. In fact, I
think this would make a nice target - but, as it is with nice targets,
they're usually not the things that are implemented, but just the
pressing targets. :)
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based on apt. But, I'm not going to hold my
breath for that to happen. :)
And, as always, patches welcome.
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> is a Good Thing.
We have security autobuilders since woody.
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are too often these useless discussions. _That_ is beyond all the most
expansive of them.
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ental need some adjustment. :)
Thiemo knows that pretty well :)
However, if they are overloaded/broken/whatever, the real implications
are quite limited, and it doesn't matter for purposes like preparation
of the next stable release.
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; I would consider it an obnoxious bug for the installation of a package to
> alter my email configuration. At least make enabling the change a Debconf
> question.
why, in the default case? Is it also an "obvious bug" to change your
apache configuration?
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> Allowing the dot is ok. I do think that usernames starting with numbers is
> asking for total breakage, though.
IMHO even the dot is, eh, difficult. Consider a chown user.group file.
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| It is restricted; a mirror is available on merkel.
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> >you ;)
> Does it ftp in time for the daily dinstall?
The 0-day queue is ftp-ed about 1 hours before dinstall, IIRC.
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> Yes, scp to gluck (or other debian machine) and use dupload/dput from
> there.
Or just upload into glucks delayed queue into day 0.
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a to save
> traffic it actualy is a bit insignificant compared to the daily
> traffic of new sources and debs.
>
> The good news is that Andreas Barth is working on enabling
> Packages/Sources diff files for the Debian archive and that would
> reduce Packages/Sources updates to ~30
t trying to get nearer to it, but well - realistically, we'll never
fully reach it.
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> Huh, and here was me thinking those were perfect examples of the sort of
> idiocy that just sucks the fun right out of Debian.
Agreed.
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en though he knows it is wrong.
Sorry that I don't use new speak.
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ultimatly - even consider rejecting an applicant for bad social
behaviour (in most cases, the applicant has the same attitude towards
his AM, which makes the process slow enough so that this is not needed.)
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modutils which needs sarges glibc. We are still at
working out an acceptable upgrade path. For i486++-machines, this
problem doesn't exist.
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* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050121 14:50]:
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 01:06:55PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > I disagree. You should warn the administrator that he has to do that.
> > Especially just restarting ssh is _very_ wrong IMHO, because it can
> > easily kill
* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050121 13:10]:
> * Tino Keitel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050121 13:02]:
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 11:03:08 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> > > On 20 Jan 2005 14:45:52 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> >
ice when the it starts, and an upgrade won't replace libraries
> in running services.
I disagree. You should warn the administrator that he has to do that.
Especially just restarting ssh is _very_ wrong IMHO, because it can
easily kill the only access to a remote computer. Take a look how gl
and I just cannot but agree with it.)
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t for gcc.
That would still mean a versioned dependency on build-essential.
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* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [050113 14:20]:
> Scott James Remnant wrote:
> >What say you?
> Rename it to "standard-debian-build-environment". :)
It's more a "default-debian-build-environment" :)
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d rather improve our autobuilder network, if that
is the blocking point.
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* Florian Weimer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050106 11:45]:
> * Andreas Barth:
> > This means: If the local file dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages has
> > the sha1-sum of f3a0c1972021af11782c661d1bd5214f1d443868, take the patch
> > named 2005-01-04-1633.27 (and this patch h
* Andreas Metzler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050106 11:10]:
> On 2005-01-06 Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> > deb http://merkel.debian.org/~aba/debian sid main contrib non-free
> > (or any other combination of suites and components you like)
>
> >
Dear all,
with ideas and code (and a lot more) from Anthony, I was able to put
together the server part for partial patches in a way that it seems to
me that it might be included in dak. The resulting files are available
from
deb http://merkel.debian.org/~aba/debian sid main contrib non-free
(or
y, so you should ask yourself what mistake you made.
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, means only to the few people that have direct access
to ftp-master, including a wrapper for the security team.
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* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041212 21:55]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > * Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041212 20:25]:
> >> Compiled in the blob MUST comply to the GPL. The nature of being a
> >> blob already seems
mapping mechanismn. (Just look into katie.conf, you'll see the
mappings there.)
BTW, there is now at http://people.debian.org/~aba/dak.patch a draft of
a patch tackling the necessary changes for *security. However, as this
is my first real katie-patch, there might be issues I don't (curr
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041212 20:25]:
> Compiled in the blob MUST comply to the GPL. The nature of being a
> blob already seems to violate that.
Only if the blob is derived from the GPL-code.
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comply with the DFSG.
I didn't argue against that. I just said that the "preferred form of
modification" is _not_ the language of the SC, but the language of one
of the licenses that we consider as free.
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> version of the code for their own work. Thus, it's not the preferred
> source code under the GPL.
"preferred form for modification" is _only_ a GPL-term and not part of
the SC.
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Hi,
I seem to have un-frozen a couple of historic mails. Sorry for the
noise, please ignore them.
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oon. I've now asked someone I trust to find out
> what these issues are exactly so hopefully progress will be made on
> that soon.
Is there any progress on this issue?
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