Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-22 Thread Ben Collins
> I don't know why you're asking me; I've already said that I would consider > this configuration acceptable for a release architecture, but that I > wouldn't recommend it to the Sparc porters. What do you mean "wouldn't recommend it to the sparc porters"? And what does your recommendation count f

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-21 Thread Ben Collins
> For sparc, a second buildd was brought on-line on auric this year because > (IIRC) vore was not keeping up with the upload volume at the time; this > required effort on DSA's part to clear enough disk space to be able to run a > buildd, until which time sparc was holding some RC bugfixes out of t

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-21 Thread Ben Collins
It's also not something that would totally destroy an architecture's ability to release. Yes, it would be bad, but not the end of the world. On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 02:36:12PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-20 Thread Ben Collins
went down for an extended period, but I do recall some (m68k) having problems simply because of lack of processing power. The guidelines are aimed at the wrong thing is my point. On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 12:23:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-20 Thread Ben Collins
hould Debian be allowed to distribute Linux if it can't handle these kinds of things? On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 12:31:14AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Ben, > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:32:37PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 06:11:39PM -08

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-17 Thread Ben Collins
Read my previous replies. On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 11:01:07AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050317 10:54]: > > Ah, so why is vore down now for some time now? If it's so easy to > > that should read as auric of course. > > > Cheers, > Andi

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-17 Thread Ben Collins
Vore isn't down. On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:54:18AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Ben Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050317 03:25]: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:31:19PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-16 Thread Ben Collins
herrings, and just get back to work. Sparc has always been and always will be a maintained architecture. On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:17:42PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Ok, I can guarantee that it never dies. The ha

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-16 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 06:11:39PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The requirement sucks, lets leave it at that. If the machine dies, I can > > have two to replace it within a day or two. > > > > The point

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-16 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:31:19PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:44:49PM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > > > >I have an e3500

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-16 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:44:49PM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > >I have an e3500 to replace both auric and vore (and the raid), but I > >haven't gotten an ok from James to do so yet. > > That would cut the number of sparc buildds down to one, when two a

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:20:07AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > We can move services to supported architectures, but there is of > > course one major problem: DSA is only willing to host stable .d.o > > boxes but if many architectures don't

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:17:54AM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > * Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-15 11:04]: > > > > Also, this will make two ultrasparc machines available for some of our > > > > new > > > > spar

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 04:10:49PM +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > * Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-15 11:04]: > > > Also, this will make two ultrasparc machines available for some of our new > > > sparc developers. I can't pay to ship them, but if Debian foots

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:04:42AM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Ben Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Also, this will make two ultrasparc machines available for some of our new > > sparc developers. I can't pay to ship them, but if Debian foots the bill, > > I&#x

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Ben Collins
> As I understand it, the plan was to convert auric into a buildd but > the RAID needs to be fixed. Ben Collins was looking into this but I > don't know about the status. I've also heard discussions several > months ago about using one of Ben's really fast machines.

Re: kernel-patch-acl

2003-12-04 Thread Ben Collins
> This problem has already bitten several skilled Debian developers at various > times. Given the problems that are caused for such skilled people as a > result of this I hate to imagine the consequences for typical users! But typical users wont be building custom kernels with ACL patches, will

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-17 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 05:42:22PM +0200, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: > Hello. > > Could someone tell me which package uses jam instead make for building? > I am trying to package netpanzer and it uses jam... > I'd like to see any examples how to connect debian/rules with jam. > > I hope the

Re: chroot on debian hosts?

2003-10-14 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:20:15PM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: > (I thought I sent this, but now I cannot find it to be sure.) > > I'd like to build against sid on a machine (ia64) I don't own but > which Debian does have available. > > I tried the recipe from the developer's manual using fakeroot.

Re: perm of etc/zorp/ is 0700

2003-10-14 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:51:14PM +0200, Magos?nyi ?rp?d wrote: > Hi! > > I am asking your advice per policy section 10.9. [*] > > /etc/zorp is mode 0700 in upstream. In a typical setup, almost > every single file under this directory contains sensitive information: > firewall rules, cryptograph

Re: Quote: Debian and Democracy at Advocato.org

2003-10-08 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 09:42:42PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 21:25, Daniel Ruoso wrote: > > I think this should be clearly discussed. > > Just to prevent any confusion I'll just point out that > the rant you quoted was authored by Eray Ozkural. Thanks, you saved me from re

Re: libssl0.9.7 restarts services after security update

2003-10-06 Thread Ben Collins
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 02:29:38PM +0200, Christoph Martin wrote: > Hi folks, > > as of the latest update of libssl0.9.7 the postinst is able to restart > certain services which use the ssl or crypto library, so that they don't > use the faulty libraries any longer. I used part of the code from >

Re: libssl0.9.7 restarts services after security update

2003-10-06 Thread Ben Collins
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 02:29:38PM +0200, Christoph Martin wrote: > Hi folks, > > as of the latest update of libssl0.9.7 the postinst is able to restart > certain services which use the ssl or crypto library, so that they don't > use the faulty libraries any longer. I used part of the code from >

Re: Latest gcc-3.3 and kernel compilation

2003-08-21 Thread Ben Collins
> __u8 short slot_tablelen; Isn't it just a plain error? Either it's a char, or it's a short. It can't be both, right? -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://www.linux1394.org/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ WatchGuard - http://www.watchguard.com/

Re: Package signatures tools

2003-07-11 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 05:47:10PM +0200, J?rgen A.Erhard wrote: > I'm releasing these things now... have them in development and use for > a couple weeks/months now. > > A Python module for doing debsigs-type package signatures and > verification thereof. Uses and included module for GnuPG file

Re: Package signatures tools

2003-07-11 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 05:47:10PM +0200, J?rgen A.Erhard wrote: > I'm releasing these things now... have them in development and use for > a couple weeks/months now. > > A Python module for doing debsigs-type package signatures and > verification thereof. Uses and included module for GnuPG file

Re: gcc on a biarch system

2003-07-05 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 01:44:31PM -0400, Bart Trojanowski wrote: > On amd64, we currently have a biarch-gcc that builds 32bit binaries by > default, and 64bit ones with a -m64 option. Coding debian/rules for this > is pretty trivial but still requires some ugly architecture specific > hacks in ea

Re: appropriate use of /etc/alternatives

2003-05-30 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 02:29:42PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > I intend to package the xplot utility from xplot.org. This tool is > useful with the tcptrace package, which I maintain. However, there's > already an xplot package that installs /usr/bin/xplot. It's not > compatible with xplot.or

Re: Cross-compiler for sparc64

2003-05-29 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 02:17:05PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > Hi to all! > > Kernel 2.6 is to be released soon (hopefully), thus I tried to compile > 2.5.69 on sparc64 recently. For those not knowing this arch: kernel is > 64 bit, userland is 32 bit, thus you need a cross-compiler with host > spa

Re: Very uneven distribution of packages per maintainer

2003-05-24 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 11:25:03PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > On Sat, 24 May 2003 22:15, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > Because in Debian there is a few people with high "load" in debian, > > and many with less "load". People with high load are more likely to > > burn out and disappear. It is

Re: Very uneven distribution of packages per maintainer

2003-05-23 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 11:53:05PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > I just ran some stats on my APT sources (mostly Woody), and discovered > that the distribution of number of packages per developer is very > uneven. This is the histogram of developers with the specific number > of packages

Re: Executable /lib/ld-linux.so breaks noexec

2003-05-20 Thread Ben Collins
> That behavior always struck me as fairly evil -- it's never fun when one > single bit flip can take down a system, and I'd like to see the number > of bits that can do so be as small as possible. Now that you point out > the actual code I wish we could do away with that check. Does it really > bu

Re: alioth.debian.org down

2003-05-20 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:23:51AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote: > En r?ponse ? Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl > > ... > > > > Was this expected? > > Yes, and no. > > No, because it is a connection failure. > Yes,

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-18 Thread Ben Collins
> What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? If we're doing "let's have a conf where we normally don't" how about we have it on the US's east coast aswell. I'd personally argue for the nothern Virginia are myself. Too many conferences are held on the US's West coast, and if con

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-16 Thread Ben Collins
> == > > PROPOSAL > __ > > Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying: > ___

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-13 Thread Ben Collins
> On the 12th March I sent out a maintainer ping to 191 possibly > inactive Debian developers. The list of developers was generated by > looking first at all maintainers who didn't have a source package > signed by (one of) their key(s) in unstable and then excluding from > that anyone who had bee

Re: i386 compatibility & libstdc++

2003-04-25 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 12:13:08PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On pe, 2003-04-25 at 11:09, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > > They just don't support i386 anymore. > > > > http://www.suse.de/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/system_requirements.html > > http://www.redhat.com/software/linux/technica

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 11:13:59PM +0200, Anders Widman wrote: > >> all that was removed was *code* that gets compiled. If the maintainer > >> cannot arbitrarily change any code he wants, then it is not clear that > >> the program is DFSG-free. > > > Amen. Making part of the code immutable is n

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:24:21PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: > > Now I hope you stop with your trolling and consider speaking > > respectfully to us. I am pretty sure that if you emailed the maintainer > > of the package and pointed out the facts to him, he would revert the > > change. > > Dude, >

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Ben Collins
> all that was removed was *code* that gets compiled. If the maintainer > cannot arbitrarily change any code he wants, then it is not clear that > the program is DFSG-free. Amen. Making part of the code immutable is not what I call free software. What if I want to use parts of the code and I re

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:07:03PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: > Please explain your reasons for removing the credits and attributions > from the reiserfs utilities in violation of our copyright. > > You'll note that ReiserFS anticipated the GNU GPL V3 by including > clauses that forbid removal of

Re: bill gates linux

2002-12-08 Thread Ben Collins
> 1/ we don't want to have to know the technical > details of how to get to the step4/ above (in the > given table above). > 2/we want one of the following:- > A/ to be able to insert a floppy disk into > our "a" drive , turn on the computer, > the comp

Re: Are libtool .la files in non-dev library packages bugs?

2002-08-19 Thread Ben Collins
On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 07:29:23PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Ben Collins wrote: > > > Not only that, it's only useful for linking, so has no reason being in > > the primary runtime. > > ltdl needs them at runtime. Then ltdl is broken. How doe

Re: Are libtool .la files in non-dev library packages bugs?

2002-08-19 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 01:50:22AM +0200, Luca Barbieri wrote: > According to Junichi's manual they should be in -dev packages (that > makes sense, since they are only used by libtool builds). Yes, it's a bug. Consider that the .la file is usually without soname (e.g. libfoo.la) it will clash when

Re: bug#152736 X doesn't start due to no cursor font!

2002-08-18 Thread Ben Collins
> But I do have a cursor font, even though I don't have xfonts-gimpers 1.8 > installed (it refuses to install anyway). But I do have xfonts-artwiz > installed. I purged xfonts-gimpers from my system and now X has a brain > tumor. This is a critical bug and should have been fixed by now. apt-get in

Re: Why XFree86 4.2 Isn't in Woody

2002-04-16 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:01:06AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > A couple of people on a recent thread in debian-devel linked to a > message I recently posted on Slashdot on this subject. I had thought > about posting this information to Debian's lists as well, but at the > time, didn't see a n

Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

2002-04-15 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 05:14:51AM +0300, Lasse Karkkainen wrote: > Hi! (it's my first post here) Fucking idiot. Yes, I can say that now. I'll only be DPL for another ~20 hours. Here, let me say it again. Fucking idiot. Man that felt good. Ben (not the DPL for much longer) Collins -- Debi

Re: Faster Release Cycle = More Up to date Packages...

2002-04-11 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:44:36PM +0200, Rune B. Broberg wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:13:49PM +0200, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > > Thank you Joey for being so obliging to a constructive proposal, and > > thank you for your polite way of replying to my proposal. > > > > Do you think you

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:43:32PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Ben Collins wrote: > > > ...to bring in other fixes that aren't so easy to seperate from smaller > > ones. > > > > Lose the tone, it wont get you what you want. Nice is being fixe

Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:27:04PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Colin Watson wrote: > > > > This problem is very common for non-free software. > > > > ... which really doesn't seem all that relevant apart from sounding > > good; hell, the change in nice()'s return value appears t

Re: xfree86 unbuildable on ppc

2002-04-04 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 12:22:00AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > It's because of this that I continue to feel that kernel interfaces are > best defined by the kernel. > > If the kernel headers aren't an interface, why do they exist? There > appears to be a very large philosophical gulf here

Re: xfree86 unbuildable on ppc

2002-04-03 Thread Ben Collins
> > What we really should have is a nice low-level C library that encapsulates > such things and lets anyone use it... > All we really need is a master ioctl header that defines the numbers. It would be Debian specific, but what the hell. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - htt

Re: ccache for the autobuilders?

2002-04-02 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 02:30:03PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > > > That's all of three 100GB IDE disks running in RAID 0. Four disks if for > > > some reason you want redundancy on your cache. > > > > Surely you don't presume that a) All of our autobuilders have enough > > bays for 3 IDE di

Re: ccache for the autobuilders?

2002-04-02 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 03:17:45AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 23:17, Ben Collins wrote: > > > > Looking at my testing PPC box with grep-available, we have only about > > > 8GB total Installed-Size. > > > > glibc packages total ins

Re: ccache for the autobuilders?

2002-04-01 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 03:48:49AM +0200, Paul Russell wrote: > On Monday 01 April 2002 18:23, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit: > > > The same package: almost never > > > the same file: often, with every new compile. > > > > > > Just take into acco

Re: mindi fails on Linux Debian system

2002-01-15 Thread Ben Collins
ndi? Once we know > exactly what the problems is we can look at fixing it. The problem is that it creates a rootfs (I believe) and copies /sbin/lilo blindly to the new rootfs. Thus, you just have a broken shell script. -- .--===-=-======-=---=--

Re: Build problem on sparc [ogle, assembler error]

2002-01-15 Thread Ben Collins
-mcpu=ultrasparc line. It is not fully supported in gcc, and not to mention that if it did work, it would break the package on sparc32 platforms. Ben -- .--===-=-==-=---==-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'

Re: 232432-B22

2002-01-13 Thread Ben Collins
We need 100, and I'll pay $1/unit. When can we expect shipment? -- .--===-=-==-=---=----=-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'

Re: Bug#126441: [security] What's being done?

2002-01-12 Thread Ben Collins
> > Ben is merely behind with updating the BTS, by the looks of it... > Can't close it till I fix woody/sid too. Which will be when 2.2.5 is released (days). -- .--===-=-==-=---==-=-. / Ben Collins--

Re: Bug#122342: directory-administrator: Not installable

2002-01-11 Thread Ben Collins
of OpenLDAP2... Uh, don't hardcode deps, and more importantly, don't compile against packages that aren't available. I seriously doubt that everything in 2.0.18's API works with 2.0.14. Ben -- .--===-=-==-=---==-=-.

Re: Build dependencies, libs and buildd

2002-01-11 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:15:07PM +0100, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 04:05:02PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > > binary of the newest package of each build dep available in unstable > > > before building the package. If that is not the case I would hav

Re: Build dependencies, libs and buildd

2002-01-11 Thread Ben Collins
on of a library, well you have to build-depend on it. That's the whole reason for having them there. Ben -- .--===-=-==-=---=----=-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'

Call for translation for locales package

2002-01-07 Thread Ben Collins
ed to run `locale-gen' after edit the file. Thanks, Ben -- .--===-=-==-=========---==-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-24 Thread Ben Collins
On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 04:45:14PM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 01:42:45AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > > But you do agree that it requires having *some* data, no matter what > > > "game" it's for? Which means having a Depend

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-24 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 06:32:16PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I think that's rediculous. Education is not a smokescreen, and you can't > > > > argue that there will never be free data availabl

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-24 Thread Ben Collins
On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 04:01:25AM +, Adam Olsen wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 10:49:33PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 06:57:45PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-23 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 08:08:56PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Second, your example seems totally fabricated. If there were a > > > plausible enterprise--ANYONE--who was seriously planning on using this

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-23 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 07:56:26PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The purpose of the sources released is a gaming engine. They did not > > release "quale2 the game", which is what the data files consist o

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-23 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 06:57:45PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > But quake2-engine does not depend on anything to fulfill it's purpose. > > It is a gaming engine, not a game. This is the same logic t

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-23 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 04:08:30PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 12:22:27AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-23 Thread Ben Collins
Do not judge the engine based on the data files that are available for it (else we'll have to start judging script interpreters and libraries the same way). Ben -- .--===-=-==-=====-------==-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-23 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 12:22:27AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Ok, I'm going to upload libgaming. Nothing yet has been created for it, > > but it is possible. Should I upload it to contrib? > > Can yo

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-23 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:50:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think that's rediculous. Education is not a smokescreen, and you can't > > argue that there will never be free data available for qu

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-22 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 10:48:09AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 01:42:41PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > blimpo:~# gcc > > gcc: No input files > > > > You have to write or get code for gcc. Should we deliver a hello.c with > > gcc

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-22 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 12:40:06PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So if I create a game with _no_ levels, but the tools to create them, > > then is it none-free? Just because the only ones available are non-free, &

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-22 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 07:35:59PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 01:42:41PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > gcc to meet those same requirements? You do realize that there are > > plenty of free levels out there for quake2 right? We don't have to > &

Re: Sparc buildd a cross-compiler?

2001-12-22 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 06:54:10PM +, Philip Blundell wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Collins writes: > >Don't discount sparc just because the code is broken. That's a bug in > >itself. Fix the code, get it to compile. SPARC is one of the most

Re: Sparc buildd a cross-compiler?

2001-12-22 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 07:07:06PM +0100, Mikael Hedin wrote: > > Ben Collins writes: > > Start you own build on vore.debian.org and find it there. > > Smart. You should be our leader ;-) Sorry for being rather stupid. > > Anyway, g++-3.0 seems to be completely brok

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-22 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 06:07:02PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:06:11AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 11:57:21PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >

Re: Sparc buildd a cross-compiler?

2001-12-22 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 06:23:31PM +0100, Mikael Hedin wrote: > > Ben Collins writes: > > Your package better use gcc, not gcc-3.0. Using anything other than the > > default supported compiler gets you a bug report. > > But it doesn't build with g++-2.95. Then fix

Re: Sparc buildd a cross-compiler?

2001-12-22 Thread Ben Collins
port. Other than that, check the config.log output to see why it failed. -- .--===-=-======-=====---==-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-22 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 11:57:21PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > That's not true. If it is possible to create game levels for it that are > > free, than it is considered free. It's not like you can&

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-21 Thread Ben Collins
ls that a person can play, then it only > belongs in contrib. That's not true. If it is possible to create game levels for it that are free, than it is considered free. It's not like you can't get anything but id's game data. Ben -- .--===-=-===

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-05 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:19:01PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > > > This isn't a matter of not using it, it's a matter of a sane base > > install. Perhaps base-config could ask if the user wants locales. Kno

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-03 Thread Ben Collins
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 09:25:04AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 03:16:25AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 08:24:43AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > #include > > > Santiago Vila wrote on Mon Sep 03, 2001 um 02:21:04AM

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-03 Thread Ben Collins
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:22:12AM +0300, Ari Makela wrote: > Ben Collins writes: > > > With an installed size of over 8megs, I don't think that is such a good > > idea. > > During the configuration phase we get a rough time zone > information. For example,

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-03 Thread Ben Collins
es beeint installed by default, either > allways, or with some user interacton (yes/no, which locale etc.). IMO > this should be included as one of the first questions in baseconfig. With an installed size of over 8megs, I don't think that is such a good idea. -- .--===-=-

Re: [FLAME WARNING] Linux Standards Base and Debian

2001-05-08 Thread Ben Collins
l package managers atleast can aim for something, instead of shooting in the dark like we do now. The LSB needs to stay away from trying to standardize a binary format (who cares if it's tar.gz, ar or cpio). They will only piss people off. Ben -- ---=======-=-======-=---==

Re: build depends on kernel-headers

2001-05-05 Thread Ben Collins
solve a problem that will become a > non-issue as people realise this and stop using kernel headers. That's wishful thinking, but I agree. I'm not sure it is possible though. -- ---===-=-==-=========---==-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on

Re: build depends on kernel-headers

2001-05-05 Thread Ben Collins
ed to the kernel-headers package scripts? Does anyone see a problem with this solution (that isn't already a problem with the current usage of kernel headers in libc6-dev that is)? Anyone got a solution for the -preX case, which would probably make this method rock solid? Ben -- ---

Re: build depends on kernel-headers

2001-05-05 Thread Ben Collins
ers-2.2 or Build-Depends: kernel-headers-2.4 You'll notice that recent kernel-headers packages provide the major.minor if the kernel version. Ben -- ---===-=-==-=---=====----=-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- D

Re: Netscape v.s. C source code

2001-05-04 Thread Ben Collins
tell netscape and any other web browser to just view the contents as plain text. Ben -- ---===-=-==-=---=====--------=-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'

Re: Debian job in Boston US [nowhere better to post?]

2001-05-03 Thread Ben Collins
art of Virginia (Gloucester to be exact). My resume is referenced below (I am a Debian developer). http://marcus.seva.net/~bmc/resume/ Ben -- ---===-=-==-=---==-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ `

Re: Q about g++-3 and template instantiation

2001-05-03 Thread Ben Collins
if void std::reverse(std::vector::iterator, std::vector::iterator); Just FYI :) -- -------===-=-==-=---==-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'

Re: libdb3.so and libdb-3.so

2001-04-30 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:27:38AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: > At Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:59:24 -0400, > Ben Collins wrote: > > > I cannot find out why `libdb-3' is used and spreaded over the gnome > > > packages. Naming soname is sensitive issue, IMHO. > > >

Re: libdb3.so and libdb-3.so

2001-04-30 Thread Ben Collins
The former is not very conformant to soname schemes, the latter is. Gnome can use whatever it wants to link with it, but the soname is still libdb3.so.3. Ben -- ---===-=-==-=---=--------=-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage...

Re: libdb3.so and libdb-3.so

2001-04-30 Thread Ben Collins
. It is only there so that things compiled against the upstream soname will work. -- ---===-=-==-=---=----=-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'

Re: porting questions

2001-04-28 Thread Ben Collins
x27;ll see how that goes. Ben -- ---===-=-==-=---=====----=-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:02:47AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Ben Collins wrote: > > > If we left everything to "you have to be smart enough", then let's just > > leave out the entire linux kernel, most of the software in Debian, and > >

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Ben Collins
e vendors to fix their equipment, and all of these corporations to apply those fixes, before spreading ECN, then DaveM might be the only person who ever uses it, and nothing will get fixed. That fact that things get broken, and people complain, is one reason that things get fixed. -- --

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