Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Hi, > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: >> Hi Tom, >> >> On Montag, 2. November 2009, Tom Feiner wrote: >>> Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content >>> is re-generated from templates & graphs are re-generated from the rrd >>> databases every 5 min

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Hi, On Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, Stephen Gran wrote: > _contents_ of /var/cache/munin, and I don't recall the FHS saying that > it expected applications to cope gracefully with the directory structure > being yanked out from under them by addled admins. Right. (It only says apps have to cope gr

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

This one time, at band camp, Holger Levsen said: > Hi Tom, > > On Montag, 2. November 2009, Tom Feiner wrote: > > Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content > > is re-generated from templates & graphs are re-generated from the rrd > > databases every 5 minutes. So even

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Hi Tom, On Montag, 2. November 2009, Tom Feiner wrote: > Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content > is re-generated from templates & graphs are re-generated from the rrd > databases every 5 minutes. So even if someone did delete the directory, > it'll just be recreate

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

This one time, at band camp, Tom Feiner said: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen > wrote: > > Tom Feiner writes: > > > >> Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content > >> is re-generated from templates & graphs are re-generated from the rrd > >> da

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

hi stig, On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 02:48:56PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Tom Feiner writes: > > > Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content > > is re-generated from templates & graphs are re-generated from the rrd > > databases every 5 minutes. So even if s

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Tom Feiner writes: > Sorry for the newbie question (I'm not that familiar with debconf). > Will debconf be able to manage upgrade from current munin version? > Changing the current 'htmldir /var/www/munin' to the new user > specified one? Debconf asks questions and stores them. However, with th

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Neil McGovern writes: > Have a read of > http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ch-httpd.html Useful, thanks. :) -- Stig Sandbeck Mathisen pgph88QZYVl0o.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Tom Feiner writes: > >> Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content >> is re-generated from templates & graphs are re-generated from the rrd >> databases every 5 minutes. So even if someone did delete the >

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 02:48:56PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Should the web configuration be enabled by default? Assume apache2, and > add configuration to /etc/apache2/conf.d/munin.conf? > Have a read of http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ch-httpd.html Neil -- aut

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Mike Hommey writes: > * /usr/share/munin. Would not work well for variable data, I think. The graphs and HTML is updated every 5 minutes. -- Stig Sandbeck Mathisen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Tom Feiner writes: > Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content > is re-generated from templates & graphs are re-generated from the rrd > databases every 5 minutes. So even if someone did delete the > directory, it'll just be recreated up to 5 minutes later. Apart fro

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 02:27:16PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 01:30:37PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > > Manoj Srivastava writes: > > > > > As I mentioned on IRC, look at trac. The trick is put configuration > > > files in /etc/munin/, and symlink it back into /v

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > All munin needs is a place to write static html and png files. > > * /var/lib/munin is already used as top level for munin's data files. > If we add a web root there, it may cause collisions. > Right. > * /var/cache may not be the

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 01:30:37PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Manoj Srivastava writes: > > > As I mentioned on IRC, look at trac. The trick is put configuration > > files in /etc/munin/, and symlink it back into /var/lib/munin if munin > > needs that. > > All munin needs is a place t

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Manoj Srivastava writes: > As I mentioned on IRC, look at trac. The trick is put configuration > files in /etc/munin/, and symlink it back into /var/lib/munin if munin > needs that. All munin needs is a place to write static html and png files. * /var/lib/munin is already used as top level for

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 05:51:26PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > /var/lib/munin/www is wrong (FHS says: "Users must never need to modify files > in /var/lib to configure a package's operation." since users might want to > modify the css files) IMHO that's not different from some user wanting to

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 06:46:42PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Samstag, 31. Oktober 2009, sean finney wrote: > > if it's regenerable, then i'd say /var/cache/munin/something is the > > right place, and if isn't /var/lib/munin/something. if you seperate > > the things that the user might want

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Sat, Oct 31 2009, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Mittwoch, 30. September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in >> Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial >> installation, yet now we're expected to del

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 06:46:42PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Samstag, 31. Oktober 2009, sean finney wrote: > > if it's regenerable, then i'd say /var/cache/munin/something is the > > right place, and if isn't /var/lib/munin/something. if you seperate > > the things that the user might want

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Hi sean, On Samstag, 31. Oktober 2009, sean finney wrote: > if it's regenerable, then i'd say /var/cache/munin/something is the > right place, and if isn't /var/lib/munin/something. if you seperate > the things that the user might want to configure (css, etc), where's > the problem[1]? that it's

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

hi holger, On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 05:51:26PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > +1 from yet. Yet I still don't know how to configure munin, so that it works > out of the box (and so that the webpages it generates are served by a > webserver) and conforms to FHS like some people read it. > > /var/li

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Hi, On Mittwoch, 30. September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in > Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial > installation, yet now we're expected to deliberately leave services > unconfigured. I don't th

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

sean finney wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:14:19AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: >> I believe most (or at least many) of those only support a single web >> root. If you want to serve munin's static content from /usr/share/munin >> and foo's static content from /usr/share/foo , you'll probably ju

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

hi, On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:14:19AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > I believe most (or at least many) of those only support a single web > root. If you want to serve munin's static content from /usr/share/munin > and foo's static content from /usr/share/foo , you'll probably just > symlink both f

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 04:15:42PM +0800, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Sonntag, 27. September 2009, sean finney wrote: > > > I personally do not believe that serving anything from a package via the > > > web by default is a good goal. Certainly for my systems, any system > > > that's running a we

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

hi stig, (sorry for the late reply) On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:23:17AM +0200, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > sean finney writes: > > > there is, it's called webapps-common[1]. unfortunately what *is* > > missing is developers with time to put into maintaining it, which is > > why it has not b

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 01:45 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Holger Levsen writes: > > > I think having munin working out-of-the-box is a very neat feature. > > I think we need better support in the Apache package for adding particular > aliases and similar URL configuration into the default site, s

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

sean finney writes: > there is, it's called webapps-common[1]. unfortunately what *is* > missing is developers with time to put into maintaining it, which is > why it has not been uploaded or integrated with support for more httpd > services. That looks useful. What can I do to help? -- Stig

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

]] Steve McIntyre (Please respect my m-f-t, I read the list. :-) | I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in | Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial | installation, yet now we're expected to deliberately leave services | unconfigured. I

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

sean finney writes: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 04:12:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I think the real problem here is that we have some missing integration >> glue. A lot of packages want to serve things out via the web by >> default unless the sysadmin has indicated that they want control ove

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 04:12:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think the real problem here is that we have some missing integration > glue. A lot of packages want to serve things out via the web by default > unless the sysadmin has indicated that they want control over the URL > space. Apache

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

"mli...@stacktrace.us" writes: > I personally prefer to keep files served by a webserver in /var/www/ Local sysadmins can of course use that path, but Debian packages aren't allowed to according to the way most of us have read the FHS. Debian web application packages should really put their sta

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Russ Allbery wrote: Steve McIntyre writes: I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial installation, yet now we're expected to deliberately leave services unconfigured. I don't think this is progress

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Steve McIntyre writes: > I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in > Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial > installation, yet now we're expected to deliberately leave services > unconfigured. I don't think this is progress for most of ou

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Tollef wrote: > >I realise you've had good an constructive responses for webapps, so >commenting on /srv in particular: > >As I read it, putting stuff there is absolutely not fine. It's even >more off-limits than /usr/local (where you can create directories, but >not remove them). I'm still uncon

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

]] Holger Levsen | Hi, | | On Montag, 28. September 2009, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | > I realise you've had good an constructive responses for webapps, so | > commenting on /srv in particular: | > | > As I read it, putting stuff there is absolutely not fine. | | Where do you read this? | | htt

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:19:22PM +0800, Holger Levsen wrote: > > As I read it, putting stuff there is absolutely not fine. > > Where do you read this? > > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#FTN.AEN1192 explicitly > says: "This is particularly important as these areas will often co

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Hi, On Montag, 28. September 2009, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > I realise you've had good an constructive responses for webapps, so > commenting on /srv in particular: > > As I read it, putting stuff there is absolutely not fine. Where do you read this? http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Holger Levsen writes: > http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dir-or-file-in-var-www.html nor > debian-policy is helpful to resolve this issue - so I would like to > discuss this here and come up with a good solution. > > Suggestions? No package may touch /srv, but we could perhahs recommend its usage

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

]] Holger Levsen | The way I read | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM | /srv/munin would be the proper location for our purpose, but I know that some | people disagree, claiming that /srv is only to be used by the local admins. | | As I read it

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Holger Levsen writes: >> i would recommend similar, but with the modification that you use a >> dedicated subdirectory (i.e. /usr/share/munin/site), so that you still >> have /usr/share/munin for other uses as well. > Thats for read-only data only. Right, you take the static data shipped with t

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Hi Sean, On Sonntag, 27. September 2009, sean finney wrote: > > > currently munin ships some file(s) in /var/www/munin/ and also puts its > > > generated graphs there. This location has been depracted and we, the > > > munin maintainers, would like to come up with a new location for > > > squeeze.

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

hi holger, russ, On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:36:43AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Holger Levsen writes: > > > currently munin ships some file(s) in /var/www/munin/ and also puts its > > generated graphs there. This location has been depracted and we, the > > munin maintainers, would like to come

Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Holger Levsen writes: > currently munin ships some file(s) in /var/www/munin/ and also puts its > generated graphs there. This location has been depracted and we, the > munin maintainers, would like to come up with a new location for > squeeze. > The way I read > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub

/var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

Hi, currently munin ships some file(s) in /var/www/munin/ and also puts its generated graphs there. This location has been depracted and we, the munin maintainers, would like to come up with a new location for squeeze. The way I read http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVI