Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-30 Thread Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
Thomas Goirand wrote: > Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: >> Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: So far this is independent of third packages which is IMHO fine and desirable. So far, this could be solved by a postfix-conf.d-snippet shipped with the amavis package

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 26 May 2010 18:42:50 +0200, Michael Banck wrote: >Eh, Debian can patch upstream software if it thinks it is necessary for >inter-operation, that's the one of the major points of having a >distribution. This is not always liked by the upstream communities though. For example, the exim com

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: > Thomas Goirand wrote: >> Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: >>> So far this is independent of third packages which is IMHO fine and >>> desirable. So far, this could be solved by a postfix-conf.d-snippet >>> shipped with the amavis package. >> Quite not. You also need

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-28 Thread Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
Thomas Goirand wrote: > Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: >> So far this is independent of third packages which is IMHO fine and >> desirable. So far, this could be solved by a postfix-conf.d-snippet >> shipped with the amavis package. > Quite not. You also need to configure the incoming and outgoing

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-27 Thread Thomas Goirand
Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: > So far this is independent of third packages which is IMHO fine and > desirable. So far, this could be solved by a postfix-conf.d-snippet > shipped with the amavis package. Quite not. You also need to configure the incoming and outgoing ports of amavis the correct

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-27 Thread Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
Thomas Goirand wrote: > Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: >> Why would you like to go another way with mail servers? > Because upstream doesn't want a conf.d folder, unfortunately, and that Well, you can have something equal without upstream support by concatenating conf.d snippets into one huge con

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Jaldhar H. Vyas" wrote: >Scott Kitterman kitterman.com> writes: > >> >> Additionally, Ubuntu ships a distro specific binary called dovecot-postfix >> that implements part of this >> vision already. We'd love to see it in Debian if the dovecot maintainer is >> interested. >> > >The dovec

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Jaldhar H . Vyas
Scott Kitterman kitterman.com> writes: > > Additionally, Ubuntu ships a distro specific binary called dovecot-postfix > that implements part of this > vision already. We'd love to see it in Debian if the dovecot maintainer is > interested. > The dovecot maintainer might be interested if so

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Roberto C. Sánchez" wrote: >On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 06:42:50PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:58:26PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> > Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: >> > > I'm installing apache2 and have a web server - more or less working, >> > > I'm installing dh

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Michael Banck | On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:58:26PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: | > Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: | > > I'm installing apache2 and have a web server - more or less working, | > > I'm installing dhelp and ... magic, magic ... it extends the running | > > web-server to serve the

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/26/2010 02:29 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: [snip] Anyway, postfix is NOT the only package that we shall consider modifying here. As per my original post, there's loads of other components that are to configure as well. The question is: is there a will to do this job by other maintainers. I am

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/26/2010 11:42 AM, Michael Banck wrote: >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:58:26PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: I'm installing apache2 and have a web server - more or less working, I'm installing dhelp and ... magic, magic ... it ext

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Andreas Hemel
Thomas: Sorry for the private mail, I hit the wrong reply button. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:58:26PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: > > I'm installing apache2 and have a web server - more or less working, > > I'm installing dhelp and ... magic, magic ... it extends t

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/26/2010 11:42 AM, Michael Banck wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:58:26PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: I'm installing apache2 and have a web server - more or less working, I'm installing dhelp and ... magic, magic ... it extends the running web-server to ser

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 06:42:50PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:58:26PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: > > > I'm installing apache2 and have a web server - more or less working, > > > I'm installing dhelp and ... magic, magic ... it exten

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:58:26PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: > > I'm installing apache2 and have a web server - more or less working, > > I'm installing dhelp and ... magic, magic ... it extends the running > > web-server to serve the dhelp content as well. I'm i

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: > I'm installing apache2 and have a web server - more or less working, > I'm installing dhelp and ... magic, magic ... it extends the running > web-server to serve the dhelp content as well. I'm installing smb2www > and it extends the running web-server to act as smb

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
On Wednesday 26 May 2010 15:58:51 Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: > Why would you like to go another way with mail servers? > Get maintainer support for such conf.d directories, maybe get upstream > support for such conf.d mimics (sendmail most likely won't need it - > some m4 magic and triggers wil

Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
Thomas Goirand wrote: > What happens here is that, if you take a normal Debian system, then > install postfix, then let's say amavis, they don't talk to each other. ... > much spams. It is also totally unrealistic to say that it's up to the > system administrator to configure everything by hand. I

Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system

2010-05-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear everyone, 1/ Briefly, who am I My first Debian package was for the web hosting control panel (a web interface) that my company released in open source. I'm the main programmer of it. The first time I tried to have it enter i