Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 12:59:49PM +0100, kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: > I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a > user I miss a package manager based on powerfull dependency > solver. Using APT in DEB-based distributions, I can easilly create > some kind of problem, APT

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement (PROBLEM SOLVED)

2009-02-13 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 07:42:31AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: > * kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz [2009-02-09 21:12]: > > > This means my thoughts were correct, because Aptittude mantainers are > > trying to implement it. (as I request) This answer I found satisfies > > me. > > They don't implement i

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-13 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 03:52:56PM +0100, kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: > OK. Maybe i just supposed APT to do various things I'm used to expect > from other package managements. Now i undrstand, reading the point of > view of APT ?cotributor?, this piece of software is not for me. Could you elabo

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-10 Thread Tilo Schwarz
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:27:03 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 09 février 2009 à 23:11 +0100, Tilo Schwarz a écrit : >> > I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I >> > miss a package manager based on powerfulldependency solver. >> >> As a user I never had an

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:37:29PM -0800, Daniel Burrows was heard to say: > I made early on was not to fetishize arbitrary "optimality" definitions, > because you can end up chasing phantoms that way. "Optimal" solutions > are not necessarily best. They are good for academic projects, though,

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 09 février 2009 à 23:11 +0100, Tilo Schwarz a écrit : > > I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I > > miss a package manager based on powerfulldependency solver. > > As a user I never had any problem using aptitude. It lets you cycle > quickly through i

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 09 février 2009 à 19:39 +0100, kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz a écrit : > This Debian aproach is great for servers, but not usefull for > Desktops, where bleeding edge software and mixed repositories could be > expected. Bullshit. On desktops as well as on servers, bleeding edge software will o

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement (PROBLEM SOLVED)

2009-02-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 09 février 2009 à 20:56 +0100, kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz a écrit : > This paper claims, that experimental branch of Aptitude include a > prototype of mentioned powerfull solver (same as zypper or smart). > (page 15): > > http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/model.pdf If you are talking about

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement (PROBLEM SOLVED)

2009-02-09 Thread Martin Wuertele
* kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz [2009-02-09 21:12]: > This means my thoughts were correct, because Aptittude mantainers are > trying to implement it. (as I request) This answer I found satisfies > me. They don't implement it on your request. yours Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-r

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 12:59:49PM +0100, kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz was heard to say: > I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I miss > a package manager based on powerfull dependency solver. Using APT in > DEB-based distributions, I can easilly create some kind of p

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Gustavo Noronha
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 15:31 +0200, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: > kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: > > I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I > > miss a package manager based on powerfull dependency solver. Using APT in > > DEB-based distributions, I can easilly creat

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Tilo Schwarz
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:59:49 +0100, wrote: I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I miss a package manager based on powerfulldependency solver. As a user I never had any problem using aptitude. It lets you cycle quickly through its different dependency resolu

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Darren Salt wrote: > I demand that Eugene V. Lyubimkin may or may not have written... > >> kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: >> <...> > [note: reformatted] >> I don't feel comfortable to answer on your mails. Use '>' for quoting, >> don't include mail headers into answers, and wrap the text, really.

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Eugene V. Lyubimkin may or may not have written... > kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: > <...> [note: reformatted] > I don't feel comfortable to answer on your mails. Use '>' for quoting, > don't include mail headers into answers, and wrap the text, really. Why I > have to spend my time

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement (PROBLEM SOLVED)

2009-02-09 Thread kc.ubuntu.cz
I don't know, If you know the correct answer, but I was right. I found some paper with additional explanation of the dependency solver problem in Debian. This paper claims, that experimental branch of Aptitude include a prototype of mentioned powerfull solver (same as zypper or smart). (page 15)

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: > > __ >> Od: jackyf.de...@gmail.com Komu: kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz CC: >> debian-devel@lists.debian.org, de...@lists.debian.org Datum: >> 09.02.2009 18:15 Předmět: Re: incapable and

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread kc.ubuntu.cz
Sorry. I'm not familiar with mailing list, and it take me a lot of time event to find out, how to response. Apologise myself. I did not know. I'm not used to. have a nice day. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: <...> I don't feel comfortable to answer on your mails. Use '>' for quoting, don't include mail headers into answers, and wrap the text, really. Why I have to spend my time to parse your mails while you don't have a time even to configure your mail client? Or wait

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread kc.ubuntu.cz
__ > Od: jackyf.de...@gmail.com > Komu: kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz > CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, de...@lists.debian.org > Datum: 09.02.2009 18:15 > Předmět: Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacemen

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: > #> If you look at the comparison i posted above, you can se that APT is > worse than Urpmi and SMART - which was the best dependency solver in that > comparison. Zypper mentioned above, is a ittle bit better than #smart: > #> > #If you look at users' feelin

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread kc.ubuntu.cz
      __ > Od: jackyf.de...@gmail.com > Komu: kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz > CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, APT Development Team > Datum: 09.02.2009 14:20 > Předmět: Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptit

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Hello, please wrap your mails properly in future. APT development list CC'ed. kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: > I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I miss > a package manager based on powerfull dependency solver. Using APT in > DEB-based distributions, I can eas

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2009 05:59 AM, kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I miss a package manager based on powerfull dependency solver. Using APT in DEB-based distributions, I can easilly create some kind of problem, APT is unable to solve. Th

incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread kc.ubuntu.cz
I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I miss a package manager based on powerfull dependency solver. Using APT in DEB-based distributions, I can easilly create some kind of problem, APT is unable to solve. This is because the APT is the worst dependency solver alm