Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-22 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:45:51AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > One suggestion: you might be able to make the necessary modifications to > > BSD yacc, which I think descends from the original UNIX yacc by way of > > BSD UNIX and the whole AT&T vs

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:45:51AM +, Henning Makholm wrote >> In this particular case, the modifications consist of changing the >> output language from C to something else. That sounds fairly major; >> the entire parsing engine would have been h

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:45:51AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > One suggestion: you might be able to make the necessary modifications to > > BSD yacc, which I think descends from the original UNIX yacc by way of > > BSD UNIX and the whole AT&T vs

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One suggestion: you might be able to make the necessary modifications to > BSD yacc, which I think descends from the original UNIX yacc by way of > BSD UNIX and the whole AT&T vs. BSD issue. In this particular case, the modifications consist of changin

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Justin Pryzby wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 08:59:06PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: >>Justin Pryzby wrote: >>>What kind of license is associated with code produced by Yacc? >>Presuming this modified yacc isn't trivially replaceable with a Free >>yacc, this would prevent these packages from being

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-19 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 08:59:06PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > Justin Pryzby wrote: > > What kind of license is associated with code produced by Yacc? > > Presuming this modified yacc isn't trivially replaceable with a Free > yacc, this would prevent these packages from being uploadable to main.

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-19 Thread Josh Triplett
Justin Pryzby wrote: > What kind of license is associated with code produced by Yacc? Well, code produced by yacc is derivative both of the yacc input file and the yacc parser being used. > Upstream IRAF apparently has a "UNIX source license" and uses a > modified yacc to produce two of the files

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-19 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 11:29:47PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: > And this is probably the reason we have thousands of (probably > invalid) software patents instead. Copyright law is only a minor part of that issue. -- Raul

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 03:45:40PM -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote: >> This is probably hotly debated, but how do math-algorthm copyrights >> work? > > Articles about mathematics, and specific expressions of algorithms, > are copyrightable, but the concepts are

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-19 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 03:45:40PM -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote: > This is probably hotly debated, but how do math-algorthm copyrights > work? Articles about mathematics, and specific expressions of algorithms, are copyrightable, but the concepts aren't. In the U.S. 17 USC 102 states: In no cas

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-19 Thread Justin Pryzby
This is probably hotly debated, but how do math-algorthm copyrights work? There are lots of these: ==> ./iraf/math/llsq/original_f/qrbd.f <== c subroutine qrbd (ipass,q,e,nn,v,mdv,nrv,c,mdc,ncc) c c.l.lawson and r.j.hanson, jet propulsion laboratory, 1973 jun 12 c to appear in 'solvin

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-19 Thread Justin Pryzby
By the way, I'm not subscribed, please Cc: me. What kind of license is associated with code produced by Yacc? Upstream IRAF apparently has a "UNIX source license" and uses a modified yacc to produce two of the files. The source includes a README: This directory contains the source for t

IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-19 Thread Justin Pryzby
Hello, As you may recall, I am (unofficially) maintaining the IRAF data analysis package. IRAF includes NCAR from UCAR (.. Atmospheric Research). It was previously decided [1] that the license from NCAR was very much not DFSG-free. However, the NCAR routines are now available under the GPL. I