Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:14:30PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > I agree that we should be promoting freedom. However, I don't think > that our licenses need to promote freedom, so long as they don't > restrict it. That is, I don't think I'll ever see the day where we > decide not to package BSD or

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: >> I don't think we really need to worry about whether a license >> promotes freedom; we should worry whether a license restricts that >> freedom or not. > > I disagree. Our Social Contract says that our priorities are our > users and Free Software. T

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:57:14PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > > License documents that succumb excessively to lawyer's desires to > > have many "sticks" with which to "beat" the licensee should be > > rejected as non-DFSG-free, because they don't pr

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > License documents that succumb excessively to lawyer's desires to > have many "sticks" with which to "beat" the licensee should be > rejected as non-DFSG-free, because they don't promote freedom. I don't think we really need to worry about whether a l

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 07:02:55PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Publicity rights are not within the scope of copyright law. The > > right to use people's names or likenesses to promote things is not > > assumed to attach to copyright licenses in th

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > I think Dave's recommendation of the MIT/X11 license, though he > didn't call it by that name, is preferable, because it sticks closer > to the legal scope of copyright law. Could be. They're slightly different of course, and I'm not well equiped to a

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 08:37:11PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Terry Hancock wrote: > > Is there a *standard* boilerplate for a "BSD-type" or say "maximally > > free" non-copyleft license (if BSD doesn't cut it). > > You're looking for the Modified BSD or so called, 3-clause

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 08:09:03PM -0500, David Turner wrote: > Copyright (c) > > Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a > copy of this software and associated documentation files (the > "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including > withou

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-12 Thread Mark Rafn
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Terry Hancock wrote: > No, you misunderstand me. I know they can make a competing derivative of the > code I produce (but I don't particularly fear this). The problem I'm trying > to solve is of specifying ownership of the actual code I deliver. If I don't > say anything i

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-12 Thread Terry Hancock
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 04:56 pm, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 03:46:05PM -0800, Terry Hancock wrote: > > They could, of course, sell the software to someone > > else, but the usual caveats about selling free software > > (i.e. you can be easily undersold) apply. That might > >

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, David Turner wrote: > Copyright (c) [snip] > Stuff in [] is optional. Stuff in <> needs to be replaced. For those following along at home, this is (basically) the X11 license. http://www.x.org/Downloads_terms.html Don Armstrong -- "A one-question geek test. If you ge

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Terry Hancock wrote: > Is there a *standard* boilerplate for a "BSD-type" or say "maximally > free" non-copyleft license (if BSD doesn't cut it). You're looking for the Modified BSD or so called, 3-clause BSD license. FE, see http://www.xfree86.org/3.3.6/COPYRIGHT2.html#5

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-11 Thread David Turner
Copyright (c) Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute,

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 03:46:05PM -0800, Terry Hancock wrote: > I don't want to ruffle their feathers by making them consider all the license > details -- I'd like to just say "BSD license" or some appropriate standard > that they can live with. They could, of course, sell the software to someo

Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-11 Thread Terry Hancock
Admidst the storms of controversy, I'd just like to ask a (hopefully) simple question... ;-) The GPL is the "clear winner" for being a maximally "standard" copyleft free license. The BSD license is apparently not directly usable (mentions Berkeley explicitly, etc), so these licenses are genera