Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread René Mayrhofer
Am Sonntag, 23. Januar 2011, um 20:52:44 schrieb AK: > Regarding the MD5 sum example and certain released PoCs: producing two > "random" files with identical MD5 sums is one thing, introducing a > meaningful backdoor (which means deterministic change) or ten in a > Debian iso and generating an iso

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:22:34 -0600 Raphael Geissert wrote: > Michael Gilbert wrote: > > There is no need to worry about additional load on the mirrors since > > the only thing that needs to be verifiable are the checksums > > themselves, and that could easily be hosted on a centralized https > > s

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Raphael Geissert
Michael Gilbert wrote: > There is no need to worry about additional load on the mirrors since > the only thing that needs to be verifiable are the checksums > themselves, and that could easily be hosted on a centralized https > server separate from the mirror system. The Debian CDs and the Archive

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Tomsick
On Sun, 2011-01-23 at 19:32 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > Also, a discussion could be started with SPI to see if they are > willing to purchase a CA cert. That would at least allow users with > implicit trust in the CA system to get a nice fuzzy feeling when they > see the lock icon when down

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM, AK wrote: > Hi all, > > a small disclaimer first, I am not affiliated with debian in any way, I > am, as the original author would have put it a user. I would like to > play devil's advocate in a few of the quite interesting points that Naja > raises: > > 1) Why is

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Naja Melan (najame...@gmail.com): > Some weeks ago I decided to have a look at debian and quite soon ran into > questions and problems considering the security of debian. I would like to > share some of those questions, remarks in this mail in the hope of > stimulating a discussion[...] I

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <4d3c66a0.80...@gmail.com>, AK wrote: >3) Regarding policies, I think that unfortunately Debian has a bad >record (cough, cough, openSSL PRNG circa 2008) The patch file that introduced that security issue can be broken into two parts that don't overlap: (a) the part that fixed the "policy viol

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread AK
Thanks for the reply and the links Robert. I agree with your point on SSL/TLS not being as computationally expensive as it used to be, however (as you correctly state) it can be more of an issue regarding management/resources, as well as red tape. Regarding Google's statement with SSL/TLS cost be

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Tomsick
On Sun, 2011-01-23 at 19:34 +0200, AK wrote: > a small disclaimer first, I am not affiliated with debian in any way, > I am, as the original author would have put it a user. The same goes for me, so I suppose my remarks should be taken with a comparably-sized grain of salt. :) That said: > 1)

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On dim., 2011-01-23 at 17:35 +0100, Naja Melan wrote: > Some weeks ago I decided to have a look at debian and quite soon ran into > questions and problems considering the security of debian. I would like to > share some of those questions, remarks in this mail in the hope of > stimulating a discuss

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread AK
Hi all, a small disclaimer first, I am not affiliated with debian in any way, I am, as the original author would have put it a user. I would like to play devil's advocate in a few of the quite interesting points that Naja raises: 1) Why is *getting* debian over plain HTTP such a big issue? Assumi

some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Naja Melan
Hi, quite some people around me use debian with view of creating secure encrypted systems. Consider for example in france boum.org, who have published a book about computer security which advises people to use debian. Those people turn to me with questions about how safe things are and want advice