Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.09.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Adam Williamson: On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 16:41 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: impossible in case of many complex setups This is effectively a tautology: "you can't do that with my setup because my setup can't do that" what about a sensible quoting? the topic was

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (adamw...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > Similarly, if I'm developing some piece of software that embeds/uses > > PostgreSQL, I'm likely targeting multiple distributions, potentially > > including Fedora, CentOS, RHEL, Ubuntu, and more. Even if Postgres > > is a core > > well maintai

Re: No autocomplete for new package in bodhi 2.0?

2015-09-12 Thread Haïkel
There's autocompletion on package name, but looks like bodhi autocompletion database was not refreshed. H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 16:41 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > impossible in case of many complex setups This is effectively a tautology: "you can't do that with my setup because my setup can't do that". -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: ada

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 16:26 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > bad idea to start the mess and when it goes wrong point somewhere > else > > i hear that all the time when something breaks terrible my workflows > and > at the end of the day nobody feels responsible - well, i tell you > what i > do: ig

No autocomplete for new package in bodhi 2.0?

2015-09-12 Thread Dave Johansen
I just finished the review for cppformat ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1216279 ) and went to submit the updates. I noticed that bodhi 2.0 won't autocomplete the names of updates. I believe that would happen before the update to 2.0. Is this a known issue? I didn't find it when looki

Re: Kernel development on Fedora

2015-09-12 Thread Sérgio Basto
Hi, On Sáb, 2015-09-12 at 18:31 -0400, W. Michael Petullo wrote: > I am interested in doing some kernel development on Fedora. I am familiar > with kernel internals, but I am looking for some tips to help manage the > build, compile, and install cycle. Unfortunately, I am developing against > the

Kernel development on Fedora

2015-09-12 Thread W. Michael Petullo
I am interested in doing some kernel development on Fedora. I am familiar with kernel internals, but I am looking for some tips to help manage the build, compile, and install cycle. Unfortunately, I am developing against the Linux Security Module interface, so my work cannot take the form of a kern

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 12 September 2015 at 08:11, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 09/11/2015 06:11 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> >> On 11 September 2015 at 16:41, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 09/11/2015 09:09 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: What does Fedora users gain with "dnf

Fedora Rawhide 20150912 compose check report

2015-09-12 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Kde Live i386 Cloud base Disk i386 Cloud base Disk x86_64 Kde Live x86_64 Cloud atomic Disk x86_64 Kde Disk armhfp Images in this compose but not Rawhide 20150911: Workstation Disk armhfp Workstation Live i386 Design_suite Live i386 Design_suite Live x86_64 Mate Live x86

Fedora 23 Branched 20150912 compose check report

2015-09-12 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Cloud atomic Disk x86_64 Cloud base Disk i386 No images in this compose but not 23 Branched 20150911 No images in 23 Branched 20150911 but not this. -- Mail generated by check-compose: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fedora-qa.git/tree/check-compose -- devel mailing

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.09.2015 um 16:36 schrieb Orion Poplawski: Okay, I grant you the loss of central management thing and that sucks. But I'm afraid it may become a fact of life. As for versions, at least with pip and gem you can request specific versions to be installed. These tools are very much designed f

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 09/12/2015 08:19 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.09.2015 um 16:09 schrieb Orion Poplawski: On 09/11/2015 08:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.09.2015 um 23:09 schrieb Orion Poplawski: What does Fedora users gain with "dnf install rails" or "dnf install ipython" versus "gem install rails"

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.09.2015 um 16:21 schrieb Orion Poplawski: Oh I certainly won't argue that it's easier for the end user/admin to work with one tool. Although we are getting better tools: ansible, puppet, et. al. offer the ability to install and track packages with other tools like pip/gem/etc, though I a

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 09/11/2015 08:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.09.2015 um 04:49 schrieb Adam Williamson: On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 04:46 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.09.2015 um 23:54 schrieb Orion Poplawski: I would argue that we need to be packaging much less than we do. Many languages have develope

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.09.2015 um 16:09 schrieb Orion Poplawski: On 09/11/2015 08:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.09.2015 um 23:09 schrieb Orion Poplawski: What does Fedora users gain with "dnf install rails" or "dnf install ipython" versus "gem install rails" and "pip install ipython"? a clean and maint

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 09/11/2015 06:11 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 11 September 2015 at 16:41, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 09/11/2015 09:09 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: What does Fedora users gain with "dnf install rails" or "dnf install ipython" versus "gem install rails" and "pip install ipython"?

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 09/11/2015 08:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.09.2015 um 23:09 schrieb Orion Poplawski: What does Fedora users gain with "dnf install rails" or "dnf install ipython" versus "gem install rails" and "pip install ipython"? a clean and maintainable installation over years instead a mess brea

Re: Fedora Rawhide 20150911 compose check report

2015-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 09:36 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:32:01AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > There seems to a be 32-bit kernel issue which > > causes the 32-bit images to crash during boot > > Check it's not this one: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug

rawhide report: 20150912 changes

2015-09-12 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Sep 12 05:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [FlightGear] FlightGear-3.7.0-2.gitf4fa687.fc24.i686 requires FlightGear-data >= 0:3.7.0 [FlightGear-Atlas] FlightGear-Atlas-0.5.0-0.14.cvs20141002.fc24.i

[Test-Announce] Fedora 23 Beta Freeze

2015-09-12 Thread Dennis Gilmore
Hi all, Tuesday was an important day on the Fedora 23 schedule[1], with two significant cut-offs. Tuesday was the Beta freeze[2]. This means that only packages which fix accepted blocker or freeze exception bugs[3][4] will be marked as 'stable' and included in the Beta composes. Other builds wil

F-23 Branched report: 20150912 changes

2015-09-12 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Sat Sep 12 07:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for armhfp -- [ScientificPython] ScientificPython-2.8-20.fc22.armv7hl requires libmpi.so.1 [apache-scout] apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.jud

Re: Fedora Rawhide 20150911 compose check report

2015-09-12 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:32:01AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > There seems to a be 32-bit kernel issue which > causes the 32-bit images to crash during boot Check it's not this one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1258223 although that _should_ be fixed with any Rawhide kernel bu