Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

2018-02-05 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > It is quite simple to explain: > > - the funds from fellowship/supporters pay the salaries and other major > expenses (over 50% of the budget comes from fellowship/supporter donations) > > - but the fellowship/supporters only have 2 votes in the GA (and none >

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

2018-02-05 Thread Carsten Agger
On 02/05/2018 12:06 PM, Florian Snow wrote: Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: It is quite simple to explain: - the funds from fellowship/supporters pay the salaries and other major expenses (over 50% of the budget comes from fellowship/supporter donations) - but the fellowship/supporters o

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

2018-02-05 Thread Jonas Oberg
Hi Carsten, > So I think the point Daniel has been raising is this: Could > supporters/fellows, before joining, have received the erroneous impression > that their payments constitute membership dues for membership in the FSFE? > Or, should they constitute such membership dues. I think this is in

Re: breaking bad habits like Doodle and Facebook with plugins?

2018-02-05 Thread Mat Witts
Hi Florian, > [...] people have the right to give up their freedoms, but I don't know why they would from a theoretical perspective. Well, with the obvious possibility of again sounding a bit like a lecturer with a hangover who has stumbled into the wrong theatre - I have to say there are many th

Re: [GA] who is a member?

2018-02-05 Thread Mat Witts
> Today we had a poster near our FOSDEM booth saying "Join us at the Funky > Monkey", and indeed a nice bunch of people met in that pub. I didn't have the > impression that any of them felt having become a formal member of the legal > association by following the invitation to join. Small sample

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

2018-02-05 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Carsten, Carsten Agger writes: > Of course Google could not have a voice in the GA - they're a > proprietary software company and by definition are not committed to > the values of free software. To make this clear: I am not advocating for companies getting a voice, but what you are describ

Re: [GA] who is a member?

2018-02-05 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Mat, Mat Witts writes: > I have left the FSFE because (among other things) there appears to be > multiple levels of practical engagement with policy (which is fine) > but it is based on a rather obscure set of policies concerning what > membership means (which is not fine). Thank you for tha

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

2018-02-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/02/18 13:09, Florian Snow wrote: > Hi Carsten, > > > Carsten Agger writes: >> Of course Google could not have a voice in the GA - they're a >> proprietary software company and by definition are not committed to >> the values of free software. > To make this clear: I am not advocating for co

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

2018-02-05 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > - in businesses, it is normal for votes at the AGM to be based on > financial shareholding, a shareholder with more shares gets more votes.  > In some countries I think non-profits can choose that model too.  It is > complicated when mixing the votes of volunte

[GA] who is a member?

2018-02-05 Thread Mat Witts
Hi Florian, >> I have left the FSFE because (among other things) there appears to be >> multiple levels of practical engagement with policy (which is fine) but it >> is based on a rather obscure set of policies concerning what membership >> means (which is not fine). > I am trying to understan

Re: [GA] who is a member?

2018-02-05 Thread Carmen Bianca Bakker
Je 2018-02-05 14:59:23, Mat Witts skribis: > There are > many ways to do that from elections, polls, forums, working groups and > all the rest of it but if either one is missing - 1) clear policy and > 2) evidence of freely conferred deference to them from members (and it > seems both appear to be

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

2018-02-05 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Am 2018-02-05 um 14:58 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > - the German laws for non-profits (this was mentioned on another list) > allow donors to specify that their donation or ongoing contributions be > used for capital purposes. So any fellow/supporter can write an email > to cont...@fsfe.org and de

Re: [GA] who is a member?

2018-02-05 Thread Mat Witts
> I am sorry. This is one sentence? Yes. Well observed. If you also notice it was a response to Florian's invitation to 'elaborat[e] a little bit about your experience?'. The request was a bit vague but I wrote in good faith about my experience as requested. This included some irritation which I