Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News IV

2015-01-10 Thread hellekin
Noel contacted me for the upcoming issue. I guess we could have a talk about it on #devuan-news on freenode's IRC if you like. I don't know yet his plans but I'm eager to give a hand. == hk ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.d

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News VII

2015-01-13 Thread hellekin
On 01/13/2015 09:28 AM, Dragan FOSS wrote: >> *** Jessie without systemd >> >> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150108.222844.f83bac6d.en.html >> >> The TRIOS team introduces their semi-rolling Debian Jessie based >> OS that aims to work without Systemd. It still uses udev at this >> point.

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-13 Thread hellekin
On 01/13/2015 02:23 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > Also, I recall that in a default Debian install, recommended > packages are pulled in by default. A setting change makes it > possible to only pull in the package dependencies. > *** Are you suggesting that Devuan should use that setting and not pull i

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-14 Thread hellekin
On 01/14/2015 07:52 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > in some of the cases a Recommend is simply unnecessary (like exim4 > recommended by mutt) > *** This sounds like a misuse. It should be Suggests. I get the logic of "recommending" an SMTP server for a mail client, but there are many different implementa

Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2015-02-04 Thread hellekin
On 02/02/2015 12:37 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:22:45 -0500 > Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>> Only remains to prove the talibans of systemd that resistance is not >>> futile... > >> Is not ISIL a better analogy? > > Grovelling apologies, but I have difficulties disting

[Dng] [OT] ISIL (was Re: What's new in Systemd)

2015-02-04 Thread hellekin
On 02/04/2015 03:03 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Is not ISIL a better analogy? > > But not the analogy I was driving at. The Taliban is a movement that > started focused on Afghanistan - a revolutionary movement. ISIL's > mission is to (re)establish an Islamic Caliphate over a broad swatch of

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread hellekin
On 02/08/2015 07:55 AM, Jaromil wrote: > > We had many logo submissions as one can see here > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo > *** Without-Systemd.org is behind an anti-Tor Cloudflare wall. Please disable it! > And even one complete design study by Alban Crommel > http:/

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread hellekin
On 02/08/2015 03:19 PM, Dima Krasner wrote: > My vote goes to the last logo from > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/Logo_2ndpass.pdf (D with a spiral). The > typography is great. > *** I like the idea of the spiral inside the D as well. It's vastly superior to every other proposal IMO. What

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-09 Thread hellekin
On 02/09/2015 10:10 PM, Jude Nelson wrote: > > Unrelated, I opened in issue on the SDK. It seems that I'm prompted for a > password for "g...@git.devuan.org" when I run the "init" script. I don't > know what to put here. > *** You should [setup an SSH key on the gitlab][0] (let's call it ~/.ssh/

Re: [Dng] Guidelines?

2015-02-11 Thread hellekin
On 02/11/2015 05:12 PM, mitt_gr...@yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Sorry if it was asked before, I'm relatively new to here. > > What's yer take on following Debian's way in dealing with trademarks and non > free stuff? > *** Hi Mitt, nobody should expect anything from Devuan beyond what has

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-12 Thread hellekin
On 02/12/2015 07:39 AM, Jaromil wrote: > > hi all > > the last community curated DWN expresses enthusiasm for a logo design > which wasn't included in the poll (because absent from the wiki), > *** I want to clear a misunderstanding. I wrote this article in DWN, entirely on my own, and I request

Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists

2015-02-12 Thread hellekin
On 02/12/2015 06:35 AM, Jaromil wrote: > > However we have started setting up a listserver with some volunteers and > soon or later decisions will be made. > > Perhaps the first list to be born should one to discuss on how to > structure the communication architecture? > *** I think we have it a

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread hellekin
On 02/14/2015 10:16 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:12 AM, KatolaZ wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:01:58PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >>> is it the intent of the devuan team to: >>> >>> (a) create a "fork" which will always, at all time

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread hellekin
On 02/14/2015 09:08 PM, KatolaZ wrote: >>> a functioning and fuss-free GNU/Linux, which I can tinker with as like >>> >> *** Word, KatolaZ, word. :) >> > > I am sorry I am trashing your mailboxes with tons of words :( I would > rather like to help you guys doing the hard work... > *** Aha!

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread hellekin
On 02/14/2015 06:59 PM, Luke Leighton wrote: > > hellekin: can you see the difference between that and what's on the > wiki (and on the web site)? > *** Surely I do, and I thank you very much for your version. Please understand that the wiki page that I linked to was written

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread hellekin
On 02/14/2015 06:59 PM, Luke Leighton wrote: > > what i wrote makes the following things very clear: > > 1) your debian system will not be screwed up or compromised by using > devuan. you will also not lose any functionality or packages. > *** I guess that really depends on the case: as me

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-18 Thread hellekin
Volunteers for package adoption can now head to the [devuan-maintainers][0] project. The [wiki][1] gives instructions to follow for adopting a package from the current [list of base packages][2] that jaromil posted earlier. If you need anything, try #devuan first. == hk [0]: https://git.devuan.

Re: [Dng] systemd free badge

2015-02-21 Thread hellekin
On 02/21/15 06:08, Jaromil wrote: > > how about designing a badge that all distros that are systemd free can show? > *** I think some kind of cross-distros work is good. Code sharing will be facilitated with good inter-distros communication. On the one hand, I understand the urge to polarize aga

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-02-21 Thread hellekin
On 02/21/15 09:14, David Harrison wrote: > > What about an Init Freedom Group? Freedom sounds more postitive to me > than 'free of', though it's seen some iffy use in recent years. > > This kind of thing work at two levels. 'Member/Supporter of', meaning > it's a goal or a sponsorship target, or

Re: [Dng] systemd free badge

2015-02-21 Thread hellekin
On 02/21/15 13:35, Go Linux wrote: > > Modularity-preserved Linux > Linux your way > Lockin-freed Linux > *** Hmmm... It's about *init*, not the kernel :o) == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-02-21 Thread hellekin
On 02/21/15 13:40, Go Linux wrote: > > Urm . . . it's about more than just init and that needs to be conveyed in the > badge. > *** It says "if" :) https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/blob/devuan-alpha/graphics/init-freedom/if.png -- _ _ We are free to share code and we co

Re: [Dng] Kicking the tires on Valentine release

2015-02-25 Thread hellekin
On 02/26/15 00:01, John Morris wrote: > > A generic devuan user is present, no idea of the > password so I set one for both it and root. > *** I brute-forced it: my first attempt was 'devuan' and worked ;o) I'm impressed by all the testing you did. You may want to open some issues in the gitlab.

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread hellekin
On 02/26/15 10:24, Linuxito wrote: > The survey was configured to allow only one vote for IP address. > *** Which allows me, a Tor user, to reload the page and vote again. When will people realize that IP address != person? What about people sharing a proxy? "Sorry, you already voted!" "N!"

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-02-27 Thread hellekin
On 02/27/15 16:21, Ста Деюс wrote: > > Awesome! As it is the planet-wide project, why make it necessary to > translate even logo into languages? - Let it be just graphical stuff. > *** Why is everybody looking for the One Ring to Rule Them All? Can't we have unity through diversity? Are we all

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XI

2015-02-27 Thread hellekin
On 02/27/15 16:16, Ста Деюс wrote: > > It is swear to me, and can/ be for others. > *** *I* used "kickass" in the common slang meaning of "very good or impressive", or "very effective". As a non-native English speaker as well, it didn't occur to me that it was impolite to do so, and apparently th

[Dng] Doc Devuan

2015-03-01 Thread hellekin
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-doc group is looking for participants, especially Debianites working with the Debian Documentation Project. So far the existing Debian Manuals repository was imported from the SVN, and available at https://git.devuan.org/devuan-doc/debian-manuals https://git.devuan.o

[Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before

2015-03-02 Thread hellekin
cooked _al dente_ by your interim editor, @hellekin, with the invaluable help of @golinux and @joerg_rw. ## Last Week in Devuan ### [Debian Problems with Jessie][2] T.J.Duchene advises not to bring "Debian mud" to the list: "Devuan does not need to justify its own existence.&qu

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-03-03 Thread hellekin
On 03/03/15 18:38, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > If I understand correctly, the point of the allusion is that the quest > for *one and only one* solution is not desireable. > *** Indeed, Isaac, that was my point. It's not just for the IF badges though, but a general principle: we tend to forget about d

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before

2015-03-04 Thread hellekin
On 03/04/15 05:07, Gravis wrote: > > no way, the first has to be dedicated to Lennart! just think > *** Someone already coined a term to remove dependencies on his code: depoetterizing. This is not a cult to Lennart P. Just think again. Lenny is a past release, but Devuan is not looking back.

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-04 Thread hellekin
On 03/02/15 23:23, Gravis wrote: > consider grouping your emails as "conversations" as it is a wonderful > option for organizing mailing list threads. > *** Thanks for this, but the topic having drifted a lot: the thread should also have been renamed. If any of you would like to contribute a summa

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-03-04 Thread hellekin
On 03/04/15 17:13, x...@openmailbox.org wrote: > > I'm not a professional artist, but > *** You're quite talented :) The monkey looks a bit aggressive, I don't think it needs to be. If you have more sketches, I'd love to see them. Cheers, == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we co

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-04 Thread hellekin
On 03/04/15 23:23, Gravis wrote: >> So, basically we will be using mithology for names. > *** Although Homer was verbose on names, I doubt he ever reached 670,000. Once the astronomers depleted the stock of gods, semi-gods, muses, spirits, heroes and so forth, they ventured into baptizing space ob

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread hellekin
On 03/04/15 21:29, william moss wrote: > > Opera for the browser. > *** Last time I checked, Opera was proprietary software. Did you see how I edited the email? == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne

Re: [Dng] [bikeshedding] release names

2015-03-06 Thread hellekin
This thread is not about changing the release names. Read the first message. Do you have time on you hands? Please help review this week's postings for the next weekly news. There's also a TODO list on the gitlab. Seriously... https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/devuan-codename

[Dng] Hardened Devuan (was Re: Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is)

2015-03-06 Thread hellekin
On 03/06/15 05:06, Neo Futur wrote: >> the Grsecurity/Pax hardening of the kernel, will you think of it, >> instead of SELinux, or as an option besides SELinux? It sure will be >> attainable in the way I got it in Debian in that Tip, but official >> support would be so great! > > https://git.devua

Re: [Dng] Devuan Alpha i386 - developers release series on Vagrant

2015-03-06 Thread hellekin
On 03/06/15 22:11, Jaromil wrote: > > vagrant init jaromil/devuan-alpha-i386 > *** Nice. Can you add libvirt and/or lxc providers? https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-vagrant == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Founda

Re: [Dng] [bikeshedding] release names

2015-03-07 Thread hellekin
Maybe it's just me but I don't understand what you're contemplating. Why do you think Devuan should use a more complicated set of suites than Debian? Ceres is aliased to `sid`, so it's not testing, but unstable. The way Debian handles testing, code freezes, etc. is not 1:1 with Devuan (or so I h

Re: [Dng] Devuan Alpha i386 - developers release series on Vagrant

2015-03-07 Thread hellekin
On 03/07/15 05:59, JeremyBekka C wrote: > > how can I get Vagrant to run in Gentoo? > *** As mentioned at [0], the way to go is to install it using Rubygems. https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-vagrant == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to shar

Re: [Dng] Hardened Devuan

2015-03-07 Thread hellekin
On 03/06/15 20:27, Adam Borowski wrote: > > It looks like Knock breaks everything TCP SQN is used for. > *** You obviously didn't read the paper and are happily FUDing like it's Pearl Harbor. Knock only changes the Initial Sequence Number of the TCP packet, overriding the default MD5 hash used i

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-07 Thread hellekin
On 03/07/15 14:21, william moss wrote: > >> Cool yes, but useful? Numbers have the huge advantage that everybody knows >> their order, which is quite important when referring to versions. > *** Release *NAMES* never replaced version numbers. Hence Debian 8 "Jessie" and Devuan 1.0 "Jessie". == hk

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-09 Thread hellekin
On 03/09/15 19:26, Christopher Barry wrote: > > these democratic ideas. Unfortunately, just like in real government, > special interests can stack the deck (e.g. dominate committees) and > push things that are self serving and maybe not in the best interests > of the greater community. > *** Welco

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread hellekin
On 03/10/15 11:57, Steve Litt wrote: > > LOL > *** Can you expand the acronym? I'm not sure I find anything funny here. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/

[Dng] Systemd: it depends -- was Re: release date

2015-03-17 Thread hellekin
On 03/17/15 18:57, Anto wrote: > > I asked the questions whether Devuan will be really free from systemd > and its components? Or will there be trade-off being applied so that > some of systemd components will be used in Devuan? > *** I'm merely repeating what's been said before, and I'm not ointe

Re: [Dng] greetings & how to help

2015-03-18 Thread hellekin
On 03/18/15 10:56, Udo Rader wrote: > Haven't tried it for myself, but the Wiki says there are native qemu > images as well: > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-qemu > *** This was the first pre-alpha release and to my knowledge has not been updated since. The Vag

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread hellekin
Would it be possible to avoid offensive characterization of people who do not think along the same lines? Would it be possible to avoid gender-biased characterization of people who are participating in this list? Thank you == hk ___ Dng mailing list Dn

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-02 Thread hellekin
On 04/02/2015 07:36 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: > Personally on debian i was using from date > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > > What do you think if we make this the default in devuan? > *** +1. I'm all for minimalism in Devuan, and encouraging people to use Blends for e

[Dng] Call for factoids on the Debian fork

2015-04-03 Thread hellekin
Hello dears, one of the current tasks of the Devuan Editors is to gather facts about the Debian fork in order to write a compelling story to be told on debianfork.org. This domain will hopefully be the place to deflect and defuse any troll about the Debian fork and systemd, in order to focus devu

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-05 Thread hellekin
On 04/03/2015 01:28 PM, Anto wrote: > > The login form seems to support the synchronisation with Gitlab account, > which I also already registered a few months back. But I got nginx 404 > error when I clicked on "with Gitlab". > *** The single-sign-on with Gitlab requires a Gitlab setting which I

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread hellekin
On 04/06/2015 04:23 PM, Jude Nelson wrote: > Second, I can't take all the credit :) Besides the VUA collective > (Jaromil, Nextime, Hellekin, and others?), there's also: > *** I'm not VUA. They are genuine spaghetti-raised Italians, I'm just an exiled Piemontese

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
FYI, I've been working on a Discourse instance for Devuan, so that we can have the best of both worlds (email and forum). If this happens, the developers can simply ignore threads they're not interested in and keep focused on work. The forum form is likely to grow beyond what any single person ca

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/08/2015 11:57 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Rather than dividing the list between developers and users, > it would be better to divide them betwen technical and nontechnical. > *** We could use mailman's topics for that. When you want to talk about development, use the [dev] tag in the Subject,

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/08/2015 07:44 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > We got #debianfork and #devuan IRC channels for pretty much the same reasons, > and it seems it sort of works there. So for ML that would be the natural > template to follow. > *** Except the move from IRC to email matches in nature the move f

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/09/2015 01:15 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: >> We do not need another list. >> > > That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons, like > others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of "because I > said so" > It's not arrogant, it's a fact. There's no

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/09/2015 01:17 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > > The reason the vast majority of projects use separate lists is because it > *works* [dev] tagged topics don't work very well, because in most cases, > people tend to forget, or change the subjectline, or whatever. > *** I agree that Mailman's top

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/09/2015 01:13 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > > Thats just uninformed bullshit. > > [snip] > > list). Interestingly, I see two broad groups. Those that want a simple dev > list, and those that absolutely don't want other people to have one, for > the most tenuous of arguments. > *** I see anot

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/08/2015 09:49 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > I make the following pledge to make sure I don't cause or continue conflict > or noise on Dng: > > 1) I will not respond, at least on-list, to any thread discussing the > merits or shames of systemd. I will either ignore, respond offlist, or > filter a

Re: [Dng] The new forum

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/08/2015 06:34 PM, Go Linux wrote: > > It bears little resemblance to the technical forums to which I have become > accustomed. > *** Thank you. I really hope non-technical people will like it. I hate technical discussions about computers. They suck, because they're either dick-wagging con

Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix!

2015-04-11 Thread hellekin
Did you check that the fonts now display correctly (without the userscript)? == hk ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[Dng] Devuan financial report

2015-04-16 Thread hellekin
The donations page [0] says "Next one is due by the end of March 2015." Did I miss it? == hk [0]: https://devuan.org/donate.html -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ _

[Dng] Devuan News, volume 02, issue XXIV

2015-05-13 Thread hellekin
at least I can assure that it isn't a year". ## Devuan's Not Gnome DNG is the discussion list of the Devuan Project. - [Subscribe to the list][subscribe] - [Subscribe to the feed][atom-feed] - [Read online archives][archives] --- Read you soon! Devuan News is made

Re: [Dng] Document on using Qemu for Linux DIY

2015-05-14 Thread hellekin
On 05/14/2015 08:18 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > sharing host and guest /tmp/xfer directory via sshfs. > *** I use the Plan9 way for sharing folders (per someone's suggestion on the list): https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-qemu#sharing-a-folder-with-the-host == hk -

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread hellekin
On 06/03/2015 05:53 AM, James Powell wrote: > If the firmware aids in compatibility and driver support then yes, include it. > *** I think non-free anything should not be "included" by default. For the sake of "universality", they should be available to people who actually need them. Many people

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread hellekin
On 06/03/2015 12:06 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > IMO, network hardware that needs a non-free blob is the most glaring > issue > *** Yes, indeed, many computers come with broken hardware that won't work without installing proprietary software. I think this case is the single case that should be exe

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread hellekin
On 06/03/2015 11:37 AM, Laurent Bercot wrote: > > about licensing purity. > and: > But whatever you do, don't paternalize the users. There's nothing more > infuriating than an infantilizing message in the way of what you want to > do. > and: > Your users chose Devuan: they already have made

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-14 Thread hellekin
On 07/14/2015 09:59 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: > More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default > desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would > to propose some other default changes in the standard install: > > nano -> vim > exim -> postfix > > > w

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-15 Thread hellekin
On 07/15/2015 07:41 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: > If the gurus use vim and dislike nano, since they are > gurus, they can change the default themselves and leave the ordinary > people with a limited but usable editor. > *** Totally agree: why put a burden on the profane when it takes two seconds for an

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-15 Thread hellekin
On 07/15/2015 01:40 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: > > Well, in my personal opinion devuan should not focus on new users, as > nor debian does. > > For new users there are plenty of distros, most notable ubuntu, and we > should not compete with it. > *** I STRONGLY oppose this view, and you already know

[DNG] Devuan without salt

2015-07-15 Thread hellekin
Following the discussion on defaults and a couple of recent remarks from Jaromil regarding audio ("for professionals") and Franco's opinion to ignore new users and "focus on intermediate users", I'd like to make a point: if Devuan is supposed to incarnate the legacy of Debian (as is mentioned in th

Re: [DNG] proposed changes: the results

2015-07-17 Thread hellekin
On 07/16/2015 11:41 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: > > What do you think about moving this way? > *** Your proposals are very consensual and pregnant of the users' freedom of choice. This is a great way to enable an open system embracing variety and selection, and this should be kept in mind for other f

Re: [DNG] vi for beginners

2015-07-17 Thread hellekin
On 07/16/2015 06:24 PM, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: >> >> :wq > > ZZ (uppercase) saves and quits, no questions asked! > :x also saves and exits. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/

[DNG] Devuan Security

2015-12-24 Thread hellekin
I suggest we add a devuan-security group on the gitlab, with a secur...@devuan.org with a GPG key. Any objection? Any volunteer? == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/

[DNG] How to enable LetsEncrypt Authority to access git.devuan.org (was Re: Expired SSL certificate for git.devuan.org)

2015-12-24 Thread hellekin
On 12/24/2015 03:24 PM, Don Wright wrote: > > Perhaps Let's Encrypt isn't included in the default certification > authorities in your Iceweasel build (unlikely). Visit > https://letsencrypt.org and check the Support pages. --Don > The Tor Browser Bundle plays fine with LetsEncrypt. It uses Fire

Re: [DNG] Devuan Weekly News LX (Errata)

2016-01-04 Thread hellekin
On 01/04/2016 03:07 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> >> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-03/issue-060 >> >> tips about UUID's][2], Arnt Karlsen talked about the [purpose of > > ..er, I did not, I asked the (I believe timely) question > "..where did the "/media t

[DNG] git.devuan.org upgrade

2016-01-20 Thread hellekin
Hello, git.devuan.org will go down for a scheduled upgrade on Friday, January 22nd, in the (EU) evening. Cheers, == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___

Re: [DNG] git.devuan.org upgrade

2016-01-22 Thread hellekin
On 01/20/2016 12:27 PM, hellekin wrote: > Hello, > > git.devuan.org will go down for a scheduled upgrade on Friday, January > 22nd, in the (EU) evening. > I am timezone-challenged :) Hope everything is fine. Please report any anomalies. Happy hacking! == hk -- _ _

Re: [DNG] ..tails boum boum boum: Tails 2.0 is out, systemd "coup d'etat" against torproject.org?

2016-01-29 Thread hellekin
Arnt Karlsen: > > and: https://tails.boum.org/news/version_2.0/index.en.html > > ... > > Change to systemd as init system > I think it makes sense for a Live CD desktop distribution to do so, as it doesn't have to deal with legacy nor with broken upgrades, and it's not upgrading a ru

Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-30 Thread hellekin
On 01/28/2016 01:16 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..small fish, nice tits. ;o) >>> >>> The preceding half sentence is one example of something that should >>> NEVER appear in any Devuan venue. Ever. >>> > > > ..either way, > I'm sorry to tell you, Arnt Karlsen, that the only correct answer yo

Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-30 Thread hellekin
On 01/27/2016 07:27 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > We anti-systemd people are already a tiny minority. > Indeed, Steve, *you* are. I'm not anti-systemd. Systemd has the right to exist, like slugs, bugs, rats, bullshit, bad coffee, or cyanide. I just don't want to have anything to do with it, and sy

Re: [DNG] Can I create other projects on git.devuan.org besides netman?

2016-01-31 Thread hellekin
On 01/31/2016 03:38 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > Since space on servers costs money I am asking whether I am allowed to > create other project on git.devuan.org? > Everyone has 10 projects by default. Did you reach that limit already? == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code an

[DNG] Devuan News LX

2016-01-31 Thread hellekin
27;s missing. Please use the subject "About Devuan News" on the mailing list to comment on this topic. Thank you! -- @hellekin ## Breaking News ### [NEW Devuan Alpha4 Released][0] Daniel Reurich released an updated alpha image: `alpha2` was released 7 months ago and a lot of packages we

Re: [DNG] About Devuan News

2016-02-01 Thread hellekin
On 02/01/2016 09:24 AM, Noel Torres wrote: > > For familiar reasons I'm not able to continue working in the beautiful > Devuan News work I started, but I love to know that it continues alive. > Reading it is my main point of connection with the Devuan community and > as such I need it to continue.

Re: [DNG] Semi OT: Mailman, Lurker and referencing messages

2016-02-01 Thread hellekin
On 02/01/2016 10:49 AM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > Can Mailman predict the URL under which Lurker will archive the message > it is processing "on the fly", or is there even a variable available? > > Quoting and referencing "third party" messages would be so much easier, > if mails contained thei

Re: [DNG] Easynetaid is for now netman's new name

2016-02-07 Thread hellekin
On 02/07/2016 01:00 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > If someone suggests a serious name that is better suited than the new > name, I will consider it. > I'd like to suggest *netbeam*, also callable by `beammeup` or `beam [me] up [Scotty]` There's no netbeam package nor any `beam` UNIX command. ==

Re: [DNG] state of what's working for modern desktop usage

2016-02-11 Thread hellekin
On 02/10/2016 07:20 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: >>> Sorry I missed that, does it handle wifi roaming? > > It means you can transport your laptop to whichever place there is a > wifi ap (which you have entered once in your config) and your laptop > will automatically connect to the network, with

Re: [DNG] Which Devuan alpha4 for vbox?

2016-02-22 Thread hellekin
On 02/16/2016 06:05 PM, GoOSSBears wrote: > Wish to run an i386 Devuan alpha4 as a guest OS in VirtualBox's > current v5.0.14[1], and under an i386 Linux-distro host. > The Devuan download zone[2] currently lists the four possibilities > for this as > > - devuan-jessie-i386-alpha4.box > - devuan

Re: [DNG] Devuan Vagrant install OSX

2016-02-23 Thread hellekin
On 02/22/2016 08:14 PM, Wim wrote: > Hi List, > > > I've tried to install Devuan on Vagrant/OSX Mavericks. > Hey Wim, are you talking about the Alpha4 .box file? If yes, then we need to open some tickets :) In general you can report issues at https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues

Re: [DNG] Installing different version of Linux

2016-02-25 Thread hellekin
I'm very excited about having a linux-libre package for devuan. Thank you Aitor == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@

Re: [DNG] Set up a local copy of Daniel Reurich's branch of my project

2016-02-25 Thread hellekin
On 02/12/2016 04:11 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to set up a local copy of Daniel Reurich's branch of my > project so that I can help in fixing bugs. > For the record, as I'm sure you already figured this out, you can use `git remote` in your existing repository. If you run:

Re: [DNG] Trying (again) to compile simple-netaid (was netman)

2016-02-25 Thread hellekin
On 02/09/2016 11:56 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > [snip] > > Is there a place where I can find this list of dependencies, so that I > can put together the INSTALL file for simple-netaid, and then Edward > or aitor or one of you guys can add it to the repo? > Did Aitor and Edward got that? Is this depe

Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal

2016-02-27 Thread hellekin
On 02/25/2016 04:01 PM, Ivan J. wrote: > Hello DnG. > > Is there interest in Devuan supporting multiple versions of leveldb? > The case of Bitcoin warrants some attention. Moreover, applications derived from Bitcoin may have the same issue. E.g., Twister compiles fine with db-5.3, but it may le

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-27 Thread hellekin
On 02/27/2016 03:28 AM, Simon Wise wrote: > > something as minimal as possible, like above, seems a very good option. > I dream of a core Devuan that is modular so that the Desktop Environment is a *blend* that you layer on top of core. That way, you can have a choice of DEs that users can prepa

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-29 Thread hellekin
On 02/28/2016 07:38 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I suggest we use this mailing list for communication, and label each > post with the word DE in capital letters on the subject line. > Thus they'll end up arriving as [DNG] DE ... > We can do that, or use Mailman topics: so if you put [DE] in your

Re: [DNG] Packaging Vdev

2016-03-15 Thread hellekin
On 03/14/2016 08:04 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >>> >>> 0.1.20160314+1deb1 >>> >>> I was purposing something like this: >>> >>> 0.1.d5d965-jessie1 >>> >>> There is not a great difference between both. If you prefer to use >>> the date instead of the short commit, i will do so. >> >> The whole point

Re: [DNG] Where to get beta?

2016-03-19 Thread hellekin
On 03/17/2016 07:56 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > Where can I download Devuan's beta? > In the near future, as Mitt suggested ;o), from https://devuan.org/ and https://files.devuan.org/. For now, in Centurion_dan's pocket :) Tip: for anything related to the Web, please report issues to https://git.d

Re: [DNG] files.devuan.org not working

2016-03-30 Thread hellekin
On 03/30/2016 02:46 PM, parazyd wrote: > > For what it's worth, it is now upped to 30 certs. > Yes, it upped just after--like hours after--the first generation of our certificates :( == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Fou

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-06 Thread hellekin
I'd rather not read that kind of degrading perspective in anything related to Devuan anymore. I have enough going on with my life not to be interested in witnessing people vomiting their hate over one another. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Fou

[DNG] TLS / files.do

2016-04-07 Thread hellekin
In case you didn't notice, all servers are now using proper TLS certificates from Let's Encrypt, except one host: files.devuan.org, that mysteriously failed to acquire some. So this one is using a free certificate from Startcom. If you encounter any issue with TLS, please report to https://git.de

Re: [DNG] suspend

2016-04-13 Thread hellekin
On 04/13/2016 12:44 AM, Simon Walter wrote: > > I don't mean that we have to be PC about everything, but > "to be PC"? Err, what? Can you expand the acronym if that doesn't mean Personal Computer? == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, F

Re: [DNG] Slim GUI greeter with devuan theme

2016-04-15 Thread hellekin
On 04/14/2016 10:47 AM, Boruch Baum wrote: > > https://git.devuan.org/hellekin/slim/issues/1 > I moved the issue where it belongs: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/slim/issues/10 == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundat

[DNG] Devuan Web A11y

2016-04-18 Thread hellekin
For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues?label_name=A11y If you have impaired vision, please consider: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan

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