- Original Message - From: "Jane Shevtsov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> A large part of Sonia Altizer's work uses monarchs and their parasites
Sean,
Interesting that you mention blogging on the topic. I posted on my blog
about Governor Palin earlier this evening and received a most
interesting comment regarding my being a "socialist scientist" as I
supported government funded basic research that did not directly effect
national sec
As a recent college graduate I have had the privilege to learn the
importance of model organisms in scientific research. I understand the need
for small genomes, fast generations, and prolific reproduction. I
understand this though only because I majored in biology. Now considering
that I am pro
A large part of Sonia Altizer's work uses monarchs and their parasites as a
model system for host-parasite coevolution in general. (For example, why
don't parasites always evolve to become harmless if their existence depends
on their hosts?) This, of course, includes human pathogens. So, even if on
As someone who has done basic research on butterflies with some NSF
support, I'm grateful to those who have come to its defense in this forum.
But as someone who also does research on tephritid fruit flies, I note
that Gov. Palin's criticism of fruit fly research in Paris, France
appears to re
My mother worked for Dr. Novee at Argonne National Laboratory in their
search for the nutrino. One day, she asked why it was important. He
said something to the effect of, "right now we don't know what it will
be good for, but we can't use it if we can't find it."
So it is with most knowledge.
Migratory monarchs may exist in all 48 states, but they tend to follow
specific migratory paths (flyways) -- unless you choose to ignore the
mark-recapture data obtained from migrating monarchs over the rest of
their range.
Monarchs do not breed in their overwintering sites, therefore as
butt
I think there's a role here for us as individuals to reach out to our
friends and family. Maybe for those of us celebrating, this Thanksgiving
would be a good chance to say, 'I'm thankful we live in a country that can
afford to fund basic scientific research, and here's why...'. My immediate
fami
Subject: Re:
> [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research> To:
> ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> > I didn't know anyone measured the quality of
> basic science research in > such a manner. Applied scientific research,
> maybe, but not basic > scientific researc
In what specific ways do "People tend to love Monarchs to
death," as Altizer says with substantial negative effects on
the survival and reproduction of the species on a continental
scale (migratory monarchs occur in all 48 mainland States
of the USA)? In what specific ways is it conceivable that
ce to know that Palin has at least one soulmate in the scientific
community.
Bill Silvert
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From: "Paul Cherubini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research
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As I do not know what fruit fly research Palin was referring to, my comments
may be irrelevant. But California spends millions of dollars trying to control
the fruit flies that endanger their multibillion dollar fruit industry. That
sounds like a good investment. Of course this fruit fly prob
On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:36 AM, malcolm McCallum wrote:
The fact of the matter is that basic research must be in place before
applied research can utilize that information. Until American society
as a whole understands what research is and why it is important, these
kind of simple-minded attacks w
To some observers Monarch butterflies may indeed simply be
charismatic species. However, as pollinators, they also provide
ecosystem services and can have ecological effects that are
disproportionately large, relative to their abundance in the
environment. As is noted at
http://www.desertmus
The fact of the matter is that basic research must be in place before
applied research can utilize that information. Until American society
as a whole understands what research is and why it is important, these
kind of simple-minded attacks will continued. Unfortunately, America
is not composed o
Umm. THis is an economically important insect, it just happens to
not be a financially important insect. These are not the same thing.
This insect would be a non-market good in the economic system. While
it may not currently have a cash value, it may later develop a cash
value. Additionally
Why chain ourselves to economic importance of a species as a barometer
on whether we should conserve it? Granted, economic importance is a
good boost for conservation of some species. However, it sure isn't the
only reason to conserve something.
Jason
Paul Cherubini wrote:
Jason L Kindall
lf-evident.
Arthur Shopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fl
Altizer's own words give a good reason why that might actually be money
well spent. I am sure Palin and the Joes would gladly fund work on the
Liberty Bell or restoration of one of the oldest American flags... the
monarch butterfly is inconic to North America and its culture, and it is
certainly vu
I didn't know anyone measured the quality of basic science research in
such a manner. Applied scientific research, maybe, but not basic
scientific research.
Dave
Paul Cherubini wrote:
David M. Lawrence wrote:
What's frivolous about basic research like this?
What potential return on the ta
What's frivolous about basic research like this?
Dave
Paul Cherubini wrote:
Jason L Kindall wrote:
Viewed alone, it might be pretty hard to justify
research on fruit flies to the average Joe (plumber
or six-pack). Connect it with autism or human health
and then it becomes more palatable to t
Jason L Kindall wrote:
> Viewed alone, it might be pretty hard to justify
> research on fruit flies to the average Joe (plumber
> or six-pack). Connect it with autism or human health
> and then it becomes more palatable to the public.
Perhaps Sarah Palin and the average Joe's are refering
to t
The fact that Gov. Palin laughed off this line of research isn't
surprising. After all, Sen. McCain had his go at bear research, and
that was a large charismatic mammal project.
The political implications alone are troubling. The larger issue in my
mind is that this is a real reflection of t
It did not surprise me that Sarah Paulin laughed at fruit fly research.
Trofim Denisovich Lysenko did the same in the last century.
Adolf Ceska, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Palin gave a policy talk in which she ridiculed fruit fly research... which
is of course provided foundation of modern genetics. Now this does not
really surprise me for a creationist, but it does not bode well for science
funding should they get elected.
This has a clip:
http://thinkprogress.org
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