Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-07-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message <53c53ed7.80...@earthlink.net>, dated Tue, 15 Jul 2014, CR writes: On 7/15/2014 2:19 AM, John Woodgate wrote: Linear techniques these days are costly, heavy or just unfashionable. Or mysterious to some of the recent graduate engineers today? That's a consequence of 'unfashionabl

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-07-15 Thread CR
On 7/15/2014 2:19 AM, John Woodgate wrote: Linear techniques these days are costly, heavy or just unfashionable. Or mysterious to some of the recent graduate engineers today? That's a consequence of 'unfashionable'. It's a consequence of efficiency standards. I may be fixing EMI problems u

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-07-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message lectric.com>, dated Mon, 14 Jul 2014, ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com writes: Linear techniques these days are costly, heavy or just unfashionable. Or mysterious to some of the recent graduate engineers today? That's a consequence of 'unfashionable'. -- OOO - Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-07-14 Thread McDiarmid, Ralph
| Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: John Woodgate To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 06/04/2014 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp In message , dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Rick Busche writes

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Dward
, 2014 12:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp In message <000a01cf8024$494154b0$dbc3fe10$@pctestlab.com>, dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Dward writes: >Currently the rules

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Summers, Chet
: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:55 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp I thought that version was available on papyrus scrolls also. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Ted Eckert writes: I thought that version was available on papyrus scrolls also. Only the French text. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Ess

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp I thought that version was available on papyrus scrolls also. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
ssage- From: Sundstrom, Mike [mailto:mike.sundst...@garmin.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:11 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp I'm pretty sure that: The only rea

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp No, I not German but Dutch ... This was me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhnGIxrepEI Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Gary

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Ted Eckert
...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp In message <000a01cf8024$494154b0$dbc3fe10$@pctestlab.com>, dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Dward

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message <000a01cf8024$494154b0$dbc3fe10$@pctestlab.com>, dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Dward writes: Currently the rules are very specific about the year of CISPR 22 that can be used. 15.38 specifically states that the reference to CISPR pub 22 only applies to the 1997 third edition version. O

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Sykes, Bob
com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:12 PM To: Sykes, Bob; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Bob I've always read it as being a "measurement distance". The FCC/CISPR limits ar

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Sundstrom, Mike
- Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 1:06 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Airplanes use AM for critical communications between airport and plane. A reli

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Gmac -Original Message- From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:15 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp We (pilots) even use it for

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Gary McInturff
l.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:15 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp We (pilots) even use it for less than critical communications. :-) Ghery S. Pettit -Original Me

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Dward
esday, June 04, 2014 10:58 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Charlie, FCC Class B "protection distance" is 3m, where Class A is 10m. This establishes their relationship.

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Rick Busche [mailto:rick.bus...@qnergy.com] Verzonden: woensdag 4 juni 2014 19:26 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Do we still have AM? Someone once

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Charlie Blackham
June 2014 18:58 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Charlie, FCC Class B "protection distance" is 3m, where Class A is 10m. This establishes their relationship. Class B = X

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Ed Price
qnergy.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Do we still have AM? Someone once called that was Ancient Modulation. :) I suspect that in a

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
: woensdag 4 juni 2014 19:26 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Do we still have AM? Someone once called that was Ancient Modulation. :) I suspect that in a few years fluorescent

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Mike Violette
ward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:23 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual > emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp > > I do not want to speak for Mike Violette, but w

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Sykes, Bob
Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:02 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote: "Class B limits are amazingly cons

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Rick Busche writes: As a side note, do LED lamps create EMI concerns? Yes, or rather their feed circuits do: anything that uses switching technology does. Linear techniques these days are costly, heavy or just unfashionable. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only.

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message <538f50f1.3090...@ieee.org>, dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Richard Nute writes: "Class B limits are amazingly conservative, to which large populations of devices ascribe." Try using an ordinary AM radio beside a compact fluorescent lamp as on a beside table. IS a CFL a 'digital device

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Mike Violette
or other > defect. Thank you. > > -Original Message- > From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:02 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual > emissions, an exam

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
EEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp I do not want to speak for Mike Violette, but what I think he is referring to by interference is the fact that, while the FCC could care less if two part 15 devices inter

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
June 04, 2014 10:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Do we still have AM? Someone once called that was Ancient Modulation. :) I suspect that in a few years fluorescent lamps will

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Dward
: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:02 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote: "Class B limits are amazingly conservative, to which large popul

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Rick Busche
04, 2014 11:02 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote: "Class B limits are amazingly conservative, to which large populations of de

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Charlie Blackham
Regards Charlie -Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: 04 June 2014 18:02 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote:

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Richard Nute
On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote: "Class B limits are amazingly conservative, to which large populations of devices ascribe." Try using an ordinary AM radio beside a compact fluorescent lamp as on a beside table. - This

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Mike Violette
[mailto:d...@emcesd.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:51 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, > an example using a class D stereo amp > > Hi Everyone, > > I just posted my latest Technical T

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Hi Everyone, I just posted my latest Technical Tidbit a few hours ago using a class D stereo amplifier to illustrate a potential problem whereby emission test standards may understate the

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-03 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Hi Dough I am not sure that this increased current contributes to radiation, as it might be only a capacitive coupled local current that flows back from the cabling through the conductive table to EUT. By lifting the EUT that loop capacitance becomes smaller and so the current. It might even

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-03 Thread John Woodgate
In message <538ea5c5.6070...@emcesd.com>, dated Tue, 3 Jun 2014, Douglas Smith writes: I just posted my latest Technical Tidbit a few hours ago using a class D stereo amplifier to illustrate a potential problem whereby emission test standards may understate the emissions from a digital device

[PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-03 Thread Douglas Smith
Hi Everyone, I just posted my latest Technical Tidbit a few hours ago using a class D stereo amplifier to illustrate a potential problem whereby emission test standards may understate the emissions from a digital device. Here goes: Abstract: Radiated emissio