Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 04-mai-05, à 01:53, Russell Standish a écrit : On this list, we seem to have two fairly clear camps: those who identify observer moments as the fundamental concept, and those who regard relationships between observer moments with equal ontological status. OK. As you know I take the relationship

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-04 Thread Russell Standish
Reading your responses here, I don't think we have much to disagree on. Like you, I don't need a concrete universe, with concrete time etc. It was largely your thesis that convinced me of that. Perhaps you confuse me with Schmidhuber too much ! I wouldn't say that time is illusionary. Illusionary

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 4 May 2005 Russell Standish wrote: On this list, we seem to have two fairly clear camps: those who identify observer moments as the fundamental concept, and those who regard relationships between observer moments with equal ontological status. With my TIME postulate, I say that a conscious obser

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-04 Thread "Hal Finney"
I would add another point with regard to observer-moments and continuity: probably there is no unique "next" or "previous" relationship among observer-moments. The case of non-unique "next" observer-moments is uncontroversial, as it relates to the universe splitting predicted by the MWI or the ana

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-04 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 10:40:46PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > I don't see how you could get anywhere if you disregard the relationship > between observer moments. It is this relationship which allows grouping of > different observer moments to give the effect of a continuous stream of

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-04 Thread George Levy
I believe that according to some or most participants in this list, transitions between observer moments is representing "Time." I have also been talking about observer moments in the past but I have always skirted around the issue of defining them. The concept of observer moment is not clear.