Everything Physical is based on Consciousness

2005-05-08 Thread Norman Samish
Gentlemen,I think that we all must be "zombies who behave as if they are conscious," in the sense that a snapshot of any of us could, in principle, be precisely represented by a string of zeroes and ones.If it is true that the multiverse is infinite in space-time, is it not true that anythin

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 01:55:39PM -0700, "Hal Finney" wrote: > Sure, in fact I first learned of the idea from one of Tegmark's > papers, he who is unknowingly one of the founding fathers of this list. Unknowingly? Tegmark was certainly involved in this list in the early days, but I suspect he doe

Re: Everything Physical is based on Consciousness

2005-05-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Norman,       You make a very interesting point (the first point)  and I think that we could all agree upon it as it is but I notice that you used two words that put a sizable dent in the COMP idea: "snapshot" and "precisely represented". It seems that we might all agree that we would b

Re: Everything Physical is based on Consciousness

2005-05-08 Thread Norman Samish
Dear Stephen,I have no doubt that your critique of my two statements is correct according to your understanding of what I said.  However, I think that I was unsuccessful in conveying what I meant.  Let me try again.  (Effective communication is, for me at least, very difficult in this forum.

Re: Everything Physical is based on Consciousness - A question

2005-05-08 Thread Jeanne Houston
    I am a mere layperson who follows your discussions with great interest, so forgive me if I'm about to ask a question whose answer is apparent to all but me.  I am very familiar with the "first person" and "third person" concept in everyday life and literature, but I am a little unclear a

Re: Everything Physical is based on Consciousness - A question

2005-05-08 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Jeanne: It is much the same thing.  More or less the first person is the one standing in Bruno's transporter and the third person is the one operating it. Several years ago I started a FAQ for this list but lacked the necessary time to finish. Hal Ruhl At 02:54 PM 5/8/2005, you wrote:    

The Sims of Platonia

2005-05-08 Thread Lee Corbin
Greetings to Wei Dai and many old friends. I'll post a JOIN letter soon. Meanwhile---as is no doubt usual on the Everything list ---much ado is being made of much ado! :-) CMR ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote > I wonder if Davies is not on to something when he posits > that "strong emergent" phenomena

Re: Everything Physical is based on Consciousness - A question

2005-05-08 Thread Russell Standish
The simplest description can be found in Max Tegamark's paper "Is an Ensemble theory the ultimate TOE?". He uses the term "frog perspective" for 1st person, and "bird perspective" for 3rd person. Bruno Marchal has also written quite a bit about it in Chapter 5 of his (Lille) thesis. This is unfort

Re: The Sims of Platonia

2005-05-08 Thread CMR
Greetings Well, it's of course always *possible* that what we see cannot really be explained by current knowledge. Even Galileo must have wondered if yet further laws were really governing his falling objects, laws beyond d = (1/2)t^2 and g = at. (He would have been right to wonder, of course, sin

RE: Everything Physical is Based on Consciousness

2005-05-08 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
You're right in one way, but there *is* a difference between what we experience in the first person and everything else. It is *possible* to doubt everything about the external world, but it is *impossible* to doubt that you are having a first person experience/ a thought/ an observer-moment/ w

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-08 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Picking up a thread from a little while ago: >>Jonathan Colvin: That's a good question. I can think of a chess position that is >>a-priori illegal. But our macroscopic world is so complex it is far >>from obvious what is allowed and what is forbidden. > >Jesse Mazer: So what if some chess positi