Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-18 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Some of you may have noticed a new teaser on the front page of www.gnome.org > today - it's about an event we're holding next Thursday, April 19th in Santa > Clara, California, USA. > > If you're a GNOME lover living nearby, come down to see us. There will be a > bunch of hackerly GNOME folks

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 14:34 -0500, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > > And again, let me stress that this has nothing to do with whether I > trust any specific board members or whether I think the board is doing > a good job. I just think that maintaining an open culture where > everybody feels that they

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 13:35 -0500, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > On 4/13/07, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 13:42 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: > > > > > > Seriously though, this "surprise announcement" stuff is exactly the sort > > > of behavior that the community des

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-15 Thread Richard Stallman
I use the: GNOME / KDE / SAMBA / OpenOffice.org / PHP / FreeDesktop.org / Python / Apache foundation / X.org / Perl / [and 10,000 other packages ] / GNU / Linux as packaged by the huge communities of contributors to Gentoo / Debian / Fedora / and

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
> On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 17:43 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > > plan to use the GNU/Linux system, not Linux alone. > > I use the: Please do not continue this thread. - Jeff -- A Stream of Numbers. See you there. 37.40629 -121.97653 2007 04 19 09 07 __

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-14 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 20:30 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > If you are not into this topic you can probably wait these 5 days. :) I think in fact the people involved, especially Jeff, deserve to be applauded for letting people know ahead of time, even when they felt unable to disclose the details. Jeff

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-14 Thread Quim Gil
To Dan and the rest of GNOME lovers. Some privacy (not secrecy) has been needed to bring this idea into a reality. Trust the promoters 5 days more and you will most probably agree. Look the topic of the conference. If you are into this topic you probably know what's going on, or know who will be

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-14 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 17:43 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > plan to use the GNU/Linux system, not Linux alone. I use the: GNOME / KDE / SAMBA / OpenOffice.org / PHP / FreeDesktop.org / Python / Apache foundation / X.org / Perl / [and 10,000 other packages ] / GNU / Linux

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Probably very little difference. I would have contributed my time in much > the same way, with the Board as a conduit (one of its most important roles), > and myself as an external contributor rather than an internal contributor. Oh, and I should mention: This would work in much the same way t

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> El sáb, 14-04-2007 a las 04:12 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > > > I am particularly sensitive to the issues you've raised here, and > > they've been at the top of my mind working on this over the last 9 or so > > months. I am satisfied that it has been consultative (with a particular > > subset

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Andrew Sobala
Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > El sáb, 14-04-2007 a las 04:12 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > >> I am particularly sensitive to the issues you've raised here, and they've >> been at the top of my mind working on this over the last 9 or so months. I >> am satisfied that it has been consultative (wit

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
El sáb, 14-04-2007 a las 04:12 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > I am particularly sensitive to the issues you've raised here, and they've > been at the top of my mind working on this over the last 9 or so months. I > am satisfied that it has been consultative (with a particular subset of the > commun

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Richard Stallman
CELF Embedded Linux Conference Sometimes Linux is used alone in embedded systems, without the GNU system. However, when a project is thinking of using GNOME, it must plan to use the GNU/Linux system, not Linux alone. Would you please help inform the visitors to the booth about this, and ad

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Dan Winship wrote: > Or, if the GNOME Foundation is going to start behaving like Apple, how > about we set up a "gnomerumors" web site and forum, where people can > post rumors anonymously and try to figure out what the Board is up to > before the official announcements? While the board (and

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
On 4/13/07, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There may be legitimate reasons for some degree of secrecy, but there is > > no information for us as foundation members to judge for ourselves whether > > that secrecy is warranted. It essentially all boils down to: "trust us, > > we're g

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Havoc Pennington
As a footnote, I'm pretty sure one of the original reasons we created the board back in the day was to be able to do things like this - give GNOME a way to coordinate press releases without "breaking" them (press releases simply don't work if discussed in public in advance). Another reason for

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> There may be legitimate reasons for some degree of secrecy, but there is > no information for us as foundation members to judge for ourselves whether > that secrecy is warranted. It essentially all boils down to: "trust us, > we're good people". I thought I provided some pretty good informati

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
On 4/13/07, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 13:42 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: > > > > Seriously though, this "surprise announcement" stuff is exactly the sort > > of behavior that the community despises when Novell[1] and Red Hat[2] do > > it, and now we're doing it

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Bryan Clark
Dan Winship wrote: > Jeff Waugh wrote: > >> Those paying close attention over the last 12 months will have a fair idea >> what this is about, but please resist the temptation to reply to this post >> about it, as we're hoping to keep it under wraps until Thursday. :-) >> > > Or, if the GNOM

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Seriously though, this "surprise announcement" stuff is exactly the sort > of behavior that the community despises when Novell[1] and Red Hat[2] do > it, and now we're doing it to ourselves??? So, when it's announced, you'll find that it's not at all like dumping lumps of code on the community

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 13:42 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: > > Seriously though, this "surprise announcement" stuff is exactly the sort > of behavior that the community despises when Novell[1] and Red Hat[2] do > it, and now we're doing it to ourselves??? What's wrong with building up some hype? Ma

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Dan Winship
Jeff Waugh wrote: > Those paying close attention over the last 12 months will have a fair idea > what this is about, but please resist the temptation to reply to this post > about it, as we're hoping to keep it under wraps until Thursday. :-) Or, if the GNOME Foundation is going to start behaving