Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

On 23/08/2014 04:39, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: Hi Rowan, On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Rowan Collins mailto:rowan.coll...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 15/08/2014 01:46, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: I have previously been tempted by the thought of adding a new set of functions with a clearer design

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

Hi Rowan, On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Rowan Collins wrote: > On 15/08/2014 01:46, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Rowan Collins > > wrote: >> >> Making small changes, such as extra function aliases, or identical >> versions

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

On 15/08/2014 01:46, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Rowan Collins mailto:rowan.coll...@gmail.com>> wrote: Making small changes, such as extra function aliases, or identical versions of existing functions with switched parameter order, just adds to the overall c

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

Hi all, On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: > >- Consistent naming >> - Consistent parameter order >> - Graceful function/class/interface deprecation >> (We know what we should do for these, right?) >> > > I'm not sure if this was meant sincerely, or slightly tongue-in-

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

Yasuo Ohgaki wrote (on 28/07/2014): - Consistent naming - Consistent parameter order - Graceful function/class/interface deprecation (We know what we should do for these, right?) I'm not sure if this was meant sincerely, or slightly tongue-in-cheek, but no, we definitely don't. It comes

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

Hi, On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > Hi Andrey, > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Andrey Andreev wrote: >> >> This would be a major BC break, that couldn't possibly happen in PHP >> 5.x and IMO is way too radical even for PHP 6/7. > > > It wouldn't be major BC, but minor

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

Hi Ferenc, On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > namespaces has a bit clunky way of supporting constants: define always > assumes global ns(and the const syntax only allows scalar values so it > isn't always an option to use const). define() is problem because it's an excepti

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

Hi Andrey, On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Andrey Andreev wrote: > This would be a major BC break, that couldn't possibly happen in PHP > 5.x and IMO is way too radical even for PHP 6/7. > It wouldn't be major BC, but minor. Most compatible way is to allow namespace alias to \ (root) and simp

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

> If it is changed to use its own namespace, user space APIs may be changed > flexible and user controlled manner. Thus, PHP may have > > - Consistent naming > - Consistent parameter order > - Graceful function/class/interface deprecation > (We know what we should do for these, right?) I do not

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > I think it would make sense to announce that the php namespace is reserved > for internal use, but I don't think that we are ready for moving everything > under namespaces. http://php.net/manual/en/userlandnaming.php could indeed do with some updates!

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

On 28 Jul 2014, at 03:58, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > If it is changed to use its own namespace, user space APIs may be changed > flexible and user controlled manner. Thus, PHP may have > > - Consistent naming > - Consistent parameter order > - Graceful function/class/interface deprecation > (We know

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Peter Cowburn wrote: > > > > On 28 July 2014 09:22, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Since we have discussion for Next PHP, "PHP" namespace discussion would >> be >> > nice >> > to have. >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

On 28 July 2014 09:22, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Since we have discussion for Next PHP, "PHP" namespace discussion would > be > > nice > > to have. > > > > Currently, PHP module functions/classes/interfaces are using global(

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > Hi all, > > Since we have discussion for Next PHP, "PHP" namespace discussion would be > nice > to have. > > Currently, PHP module functions/classes/interfaces are using global(root) > namespace. > If it is changed to use its own namespace, u

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

> > One must absolutely not be required to use > namespaces for everything. > +1 I fully share this statement as well. Please, do not force any user to use namespaces. PHP's never been namespace based, it added their support to 5.3. IMO, PHP should never be namespace based for its own syntax.

Re: [PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

Hi, On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > Hi all, > > Since we have discussion for Next PHP, "PHP" namespace discussion would be > nice > to have. > > Currently, PHP module functions/classes/interfaces are using global(root) > namespace. > If it is changed to use its own namespac

[PHP-DEV] "PHP" namespace?

Hi all, Since we have discussion for Next PHP, "PHP" namespace discussion would be nice to have. Currently, PHP module functions/classes/interfaces are using global(root) namespace. If it is changed to use its own namespace, user space APIs may be changed flexible and user controlled manner. Thus