Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-28 Thread Markus Armbruster
Kevin Wolf writes: > Am 28.07.2010 13:22, schrieb Markus Armbruster: >> Anthony Liguori writes: >> >>> On 07/27/2010 10:22 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: [...] Raw can't be probed safely, by its very nature. For historical reasons, we try anyway. I think we should stop doing that, eve

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-28 Thread Kevin Wolf
Am 28.07.2010 13:22, schrieb Markus Armbruster: > Anthony Liguori writes: > >> On 07/27/2010 10:22 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: >>> Kevin Wolf writes: >>> >>> Am 27.07.2010 15:00, schrieb Anthony Liguori: > On 07/27/2010 02:19 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: > >>

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-28 Thread Markus Armbruster
Anthony Liguori writes: > On 07/27/2010 10:22 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: >> Kevin Wolf writes: >> >> >>> Am 27.07.2010 15:00, schrieb Anthony Liguori: >>> On 07/27/2010 02:19 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: > Anthony Liguori writes: > > > >>

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Avi Kivity
On 07/27/2010 08:01 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: It's annoying to us old hands, but it does give that nice integrated system feel that we're missing, and it works even if virt-manager is in the background (or if you don't use virt-manager at all). Given that there's a kerneloops pluging that

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:42:34PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote: > On 07/27/2010 07:36 PM, Chris Wright wrote: > > > >>If things work there's no reason for the user to go look at the > >>logs. An exclamation point invites clicking. > >> > >>Even better would be an ABRT plugin, so if something goes >

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Avi Kivity
On 07/27/2010 07:47 PM, Avi Kivity wrote: On 07/27/2010 07:42 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: I read that to mean...propagate stderr from qemu to be right in front of the user. So that's output from virsh or in virt-manager. Trouble is, that's only useful (at best) when starting a guest. P

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Avi Kivity
On 07/27/2010 07:42 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: I read that to mean...propagate stderr from qemu to be right in front of the user. So that's output from virsh or in virt-manager. Trouble is, that's only useful (at best) when starting a guest. Perhaps some virt-manager thing (an exclamatio

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:29:13AM -0700, Chris Wright wrote: > * Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:17:06PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote: > > > On 07/27/2010 06:28 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: > > > > > > > >If we add docs/deprecated-features.txt, schedule rem

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Avi Kivity
On 07/27/2010 07:36 PM, Chris Wright wrote: If things work there's no reason for the user to go look at the logs. An exclamation point invites clicking. Even better would be an ABRT plugin, so if something goes (marginally) wrong, the siren pops up and you're invited to report the bug. Des

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Chris Wright
* Avi Kivity (a...@redhat.com) wrote: > On 07/27/2010 07:29 PM, Chris Wright wrote: > > > >>QEMU stderr+out is already recorded in /var/lib/libvirt/qemu/$GUESTNAME.log > >>along with the env variables and argv used to spawn it. Or did you mean > >>provide an API + virsh command /virt-manager UI fo

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Avi Kivity
On 07/27/2010 07:29 PM, Chris Wright wrote: QEMU stderr+out is already recorded in /var/lib/libvirt/qemu/$GUESTNAME.log along with the env variables and argv used to spawn it. Or did you mean provide an API + virsh command /virt-manager UI for accessing the logs ? I read that to mean...propag

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Chris Wright
* Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:17:06PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote: > > On 07/27/2010 06:28 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: > > > > > >If we add docs/deprecated-features.txt, schedule removal for at least > > >1 year in the future, and put a warning in the c

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:17:06PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote: > On 07/27/2010 06:28 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: > > > >If we add docs/deprecated-features.txt, schedule removal for at least > >1 year in the future, and put a warning in the code that prints > >whenever raw is probed, I think I could

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Avi Kivity
On 07/27/2010 06:28 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: If we add docs/deprecated-features.txt, schedule removal for at least 1 year in the future, and put a warning in the code that prints whenever raw is probed, I think I could warm up to this. Since libvirt should be insulating users from this to

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:28:04AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote: > On 07/27/2010 10:22 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: > >Kevin Wolf writes: > > > > > >>Am 27.07.2010 15:00, schrieb Anthony Liguori: > >> > >>>On 07/27/2010 02:19 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: > >>> > Anthony Liguori

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Anthony Liguori
On 07/27/2010 10:22 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: Kevin Wolf writes: Am 27.07.2010 15:00, schrieb Anthony Liguori: On 07/27/2010 02:19 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: Anthony Liguori writes: - any additional input on probed_raw? Isn't it a fait acco

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Markus Armbruster
Kevin Wolf writes: > Am 27.07.2010 15:00, schrieb Anthony Liguori: >> On 07/27/2010 02:19 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: >>> Anthony Liguori writes: >>> >>> - any additional input on probed_raw? >>> Isn't it a fait accompli? I stopped providing input when commit >>> 79368c81 a

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Kevin Wolf
Am 27.07.2010 15:00, schrieb Anthony Liguori: > On 07/27/2010 02:19 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: >> Anthony Liguori writes: >> >> >>> - any additional input on probed_raw? >>> >> Isn't it a fait accompli? I stopped providing input when commit >> 79368c81 appeared. >> > > No. 79368

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for July 27

2010-07-27 Thread Jes Sorensen
On 07/27/10 02:13, Alex Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 18:28 -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote: >> On 07/26/2010 05:28 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: >>> On 07/26/2010 04:28 PM, Chris Wright wrote: Please send in any agenda items you are interested in covering. >>> >>> - 0.13 update >>> I'