Re: RMS on OpenMotif

2000-08-22 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, David Johnson wrote: > will not be defined by the Windows98 user, but by the typical user of > Unix (since that is the platform for Motif), who would have a radically > different perception of what an OS is. If you're going to get into legal terms, then no, Unix does not hav

Re: RMS on OpenMotif

2000-08-21 Thread David Johnson
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, you wrote: > For terms not defined in the license (such as "operating system"), it would > be easy for whoever brought the lawsuit to argue that using the term > according to precedent -- i.e., as in the Microsoft vs. US case, which would > be everything on the CD from the ke

Re: RMS on OpenMotif

2000-08-21 Thread Richard Stallman
> Ironically, that restriction excludes nearly all the commercial GNU/Linux > distributions. They typically include some non-free software--an > unfortunate policy--and hardly any of them fits the criterion specified > in the Motif license. The OpenMotif l

Re: RMS on OpenMotif

2000-08-21 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, John Cowan wrote: > > Ironically, that restriction excludes nearly all the commercial GNU/Linux > > distributions. They typically include some non-free software--an > > unfortunate policy--and hardly any of them fits the criterion specified > > in the Moti

Re: RMS on OpenMotif

2000-08-20 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, John Cowan wrote: > RMS writes (copied here under a claim of fair use): > > > Here are some of the problems of the Motif license: > > > > It claims that you accept the license merely by "using" Motif. Only > > a shrink-wrap license or something similar can do that,

RMS on OpenMotif

2000-08-20 Thread John Cowan
I believe there is no reasonable dispute that OpenMotif, a licensed version of Motif for use with open-source systems, is not itself open source: it clearly steps on criteria 1, 8, and 9 of the OSD, as the Open Group themselves concede. RMS believes it is not free software, either, and I think he