Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-08 Thread Tim Durack
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:21 PM, William Herrin wrote: > I poked through AFCO's drawings at > http://www.afcosystems.com/pdf/AFCO_Drawings.pdf, How much of a size > hit is typical? Do you take the depth out to 52" to create enough > space in front of the equipment for air to flow and take the 6-in

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Tim Durack wrote: > Same way you cool the top of a rack in a cold/hot aisle system. Blow > cold air up the front of the rack. We measure temperature at select > points in the rack. Keep the hottest spot below set point, and > everything is fine. The physics aren't

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Tim Durack
>> We have/are building new datacenters with a raised floor plenum. Air >> is directed into the racks from below, and ducted out of the top. No >> hot/cold aisle, just lots of cold air to cool the equipment. It's an >> AFCO rack design. Seems to be efficient so far. > > How do you measure efficienc

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Tim Durack
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote: > Actually, my experience has been that most of the newer installations > (last 5-7 years) that I have been able to see where raised floor is > employed are also doing hot/cold rows. We have/are building new datacenters with a raised floor

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 02:54:42AM +0800, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:41 AM, William Herrin wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a > >> plenum, but, the > >> step forward from rais

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:41 AM, William Herrin wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >>> Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, >>> but, the >>> step forward from raised-floor plenum is

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:41 AM, William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, >> but, the >> step forward from raised-floor plenum is hot-aisle/cold-aisle which requires >> a good >> bit mo

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 01:41:42PM -0500, William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, > > but, the > > step forward from raised-floor plenum is hot-aisle/cold-aisle which > > requires

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:41 PM, William Herrin wrote: > For the original question: Non-plenum short raised floor can be useful > if you want to separate your power and data wiring. Other than that, I > can't see any advantage versus a solid floor and either snake tray or > other overhead wiring sy

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, > but, the > step forward from raised-floor plenum is hot-aisle/cold-aisle which requires > a good > bit more discipline in your datacenter, but, is substantially mor

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Owen DeLong
Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, but, the step forward from raised-floor plenum is hot-aisle/cold-aisle which requires a good bit more discipline in your datacenter, but, is substantially more efficient. Owen On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:14 AM, Dorn Hetzel wr

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Ryan Spott
010 at 11:14:48AM -0500, Dorn Hetzel wrote: > > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:14:48 -0500 > > Subject: Re: FreeAxez raised flooring? > > From: Dorn Hetzel > > To: nanog@nanog.org > > > > What is the purpose of raised flooring if it *doesn't *create a plenum? >

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread acv
r cable management, easier to access. Alex On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 11:14:48AM -0500, Dorn Hetzel wrote: > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:14:48 -0500 > Subject: Re: FreeAxez raised flooring? > From: Dorn Hetzel > To: nanog@nanog.org > > What is the purpose of raised flooring if it *doesn&#x

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread david raistrick
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Dorn Hetzel wrote: What is the purpose of raised flooring if it *doesn't *create a plenum? ...cabling? (though I think working under a floor to route cables vs overhead ladder is a pain..but mixing cabling AND air underfloor is much worse) On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:3

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Dorn Hetzel
What is the purpose of raised flooring if it *doesn't *create a plenum? On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Jason Gurtz wrote: > A consultant has recommended FreeAxez for the raised floor in a new data > center. I checked it out and have concerns since it says it does NOT > create a plenum and can