On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 12:38 -0400, Andrew Ballard wrote:
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote:
> > Stuart wrote:
> >>
> >> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> >>>
> >>> I continued the discussion with Nathan.
> >>
> >> I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on this topic, an
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote:
> Stuart wrote:
>>
>> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
>>>
>>> I continued the discussion with Nathan.
>>
>> I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on this topic, and a
>> productive one at that.
>>
>
> which would probably be a good time
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> CC: nrix...@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] templating engine options
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Tom Worster wrote:
> > thanks for taking the trouble to write your requirements. it made
> > interesting r
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Tom Worster wrote:
> thanks for taking the trouble to write your requirements. it made
> interesting reading.
>
> i've questions on three points below...
>
>
> On 5/25/09 6:44 PM, "Nathan Rixham" wrote:
>
>> XSL Templates are near perfect, built for the job, and v
thanks for the pointers on xsl. i'll take a look.
On 5/26/09 6:05 PM, "Nathan Rixham" wrote:
>> it seems you're saying that there would be some kind of an intermediate
>> level of data representation that a script can be invoked to produce from
>> which different templates can produce different
Tom Worster wrote:
On 5/25/09 8:48 PM, "Nathan Rixham" wrote:
Sancar Saran wrote:
0 ) {
$content = '';
foreach( $comments as $index => $comment ) : $content. = "".$comment->title.""; endforeach;
}
?>
Comments
index.php
ob_start();
require('template.php');
echo ob_get_clean();
I'm stil
Tom Worster wrote:
thanks for taking the trouble to write your requirements. it made
interesting reading.
and thanks for taking the time to read it! it was a big one.
i've questions on three points below...
On 5/25/09 6:44 PM, "Nathan Rixham" wrote:
XSL Templates are near perfect, built
thanks for taking the trouble to write your requirements. it made
interesting reading.
i've questions on three points below...
On 5/25/09 6:44 PM, "Nathan Rixham" wrote:
> XSL Templates are near perfect, built for the job, and very powerful -
> but time hasn't favoured them well; and until (if
On 5/25/09 8:48 PM, "Nathan Rixham" wrote:
> Sancar Saran wrote:
>> > $content = 'No Comments';
>> if(isset($comments) and is_array($comments) and count($comments) > 0 ) {
>> $content = '';
>> foreach( $comments as $index => $comment ) : $content. = "".$comment->title.""; endforeach;
>> }
>> ?>
>
At 12:46 PM -0400 5/25/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
I'm going to leave this discussion here since it's eating up too much of
my time :)
Cheers,
Rob.
Rob:
It's always been my experience to listen when you talk. -- so -- when
you find some time AND have the inclination, could you prepare a
sim
At 8:13 PM +0100 5/25/09, Stuart wrote:
I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on this topic, and a
productive one at that.
-Stuart
Great! Now you guys are having a three-some without me. :-)
While I wasn't getting it, I was trying.
Cheers,
tedd
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Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
Finally somebody mentioned XSL Transformations. Time is relative because as you
need time to learn an API to produce quickly only after a while, thanks to
knowledge and confidence, XSL is the same with the advantage that you transform
a data structure, rather than work
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> CC: rob...@interjinn.com; linuxmanmi...@gmail.com; tedd.sperl...@gmail.com;
> php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] templating engine options
>
> Stuart wrote:
> > 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> >> I continued the discussion with
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 03:48:41 am Nathan Rixham wrote:
> Sancar Saran wrote:
> > > $content = 'No Comments';
> > if(isset($comments) and is_array($comments) and count($comments) > 0 ) {
> > $content = '';
> > foreach( $comments as $index => $comment ) : $content. = "".$comment->title."";
Sancar Saran wrote:
0 ) {
$content = '';
foreach( $comments as $index => $comment ) : $content. = "".$comment->title.""; endforeach;
}
?>
Comments
index.php
ob_start();
require('template.php');
echo ob_get_clean();
I'm still do not understand for complex template s
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 01:44:43 am Nathan Rixham wrote:
> Stuart wrote:
> > 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> >> I continued the discussion with Nathan.
> >
> > I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on this topic, and a
> > productive one at that.
>
> which would probably be a good time for
Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
I continued the discussion with Nathan.
I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on this topic, and a
productive one at that.
which would probably be a good time for me to step back in; having had a
nice little inside in to both Robert an
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 19:56 +0100, Stuart wrote:
>> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
>> > On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:31 +0100, Stuart wrote:
>> >> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
>> >> > On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
>> >> >> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
>> >> >
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 19:56 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> > On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:31 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> >> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> >> > On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> >> >> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> >> >> > On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +010
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:31 +0100, Stuart wrote:
>> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
>> > On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
>> >> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
>> >> > On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
>> >> >> 2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham :
>> >> >>
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:58 +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote:
> Robert Cummings wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> >> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> >> Have I done something to annoy you lately? You seem to be directing a
> >> lot of hostility my way recently. Just wondering.
>
Tom Worster wrote:
On 5/25/09 10:04 AM, "Stuart" wrote:
Quick question, how would you implement the following using your
XML-based template syntax...
...
It's worth noting that I'm simply suggesting a different way of
looking at the world. If you have a templating system you're happy
with
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
Have I done something to annoy you lately? You seem to be directing a
lot of hostility my way recently. Just wondering.
I'm sorry you're taking it personally... you may want to invest some
time
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:31 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> > On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> >> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> >> > On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> >> >> 2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham :
> >> >> > LinuxManMikeC wrote:
> >> >> >>
>
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
>> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
>> > On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
>> >> 2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham :
>> >> > LinuxManMikeC wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd wrote:
>> >> >>>
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> 2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> > On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> >> 2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham :
> >> > LinuxManMikeC wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09,
On 5/25/09 10:04 AM, "Stuart" wrote:
> Quick question, how would you implement the following using your
> XML-based template syntax...
>
> ...
>
> It's worth noting that I'm simply suggesting a different way of
> looking at the world. If you have a templating system you're happy
> with then f
On 5/23/09 6:21 PM, "Nathan Rixham" wrote:
> Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines
> other than smarty.
i started using phplib template in 2002. since then i've never bothered to
revisit that choice. it may not qualify as an engine (all it does is juggle
files and
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings :
> On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
>> 2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham :
>> > LinuxManMikeC wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
>>
>> LinuxManMikeC wrote:
>>
At 9:06 AM -0400 5/25/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 13:46 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
> > That's where your integrity is called into question.
What's that...? :-)
One of the most important attributes a person can have. It is more
important than the person's technical abil
At 11:11 PM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
often though you have dedicated web designers who do html, css java
and nothing else - and a graphics design guy and the developers (php
+ server side) - that was a pointless comment though and it is all
scenario based.
You can wear the hat prov
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 13:46 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
> > That's where your integrity is called into question.
>
> What's that...? :-)
One of the most important attributes a person can have. It is more
important than the person's technical ability.
:)
Cheers,
Rob
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> That's where your integrity is called into question.
What's that...? :-)
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HTML5 graphing: RGraph (www.rgraph.net - updated 23rd May)
PHP mail: RMail (www.phpguru.org/rmail)
PHP datagrid: RGrid (www.phpguru.org/rgrid)
PHP Template: RTemplate (www.phpguru.org/rtemplate)
PHP SMTP:
"Sometimes I'm the windshield and sometimes I'm the bug"
Ha ha! Love that!
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 09:39 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > and then you have the joy of telling the client its 6 months work
>
> 6 months vs 1 day... Ka-Ching! :-)
That's where your integrity is called into question.
Cheers,
Rob.
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http://www.interjinn.com
Application and Templating
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
> 2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham :
> > LinuxManMikeC wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd wrote:
> >>>
> >>> At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
>
> LinuxManMikeC wrote:
> >
> > I was recently researching te
> > You're missing the point just because he threw in some old HTML
> > styling attributes. The main issue is the overhead of added parsing
> > layers to find where content goes in the HTML. Aren't we already
> > using a language (PHP) that parses for place holders for dynamic
> > content within
Hi,
> and then you have the joy of telling the client its 6 months work
6 months vs 1 day... Ka-Ching! :-)
--
Richard Heyes
HTML5 graphing: RGraph (www.rgraph.net - updated 23rd May)
PHP mail: RMail (www.phpguru.org/rmail)
PHP datagrid: RGrid (www.phpguru.org/rgrid)
PHP Template: RTemplate (www
tedd wrote:
At 1:54 PM -0600 5/24/09, LinuxManMikeC wrote:
You're missing the point just because he threw in some old HTML
styling attributes. The main issue is the overhead of added parsing
layers to find where content goes in the HTML.
I may be missing the point, but I know where content go
At 1:54 PM -0600 5/24/09, LinuxManMikeC wrote:
You're missing the point just because he threw in some old HTML
styling attributes. The main issue is the overhead of added parsing
layers to find where content goes in the HTML.
I may be missing the point, but I know where content goes in my
scr
tedd wrote:
At 9:43 PM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
and now I'm questioning myself - not on the client scenario based
decisions - but on my own personal projects and things only I work
on.. why do I use a template engine? habit? some old logical decision
I made based on abstraction whic
At 9:43 PM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
and now I'm questioning myself - not on the client scenario based
decisions - but on my own personal projects and things only I work
on.. why do I use a template engine? habit? some old logical
decision I made based on abstraction which somehow rul
Stuart wrote:
2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham :
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd wrote:
At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
I was recently researching template engines for a small in-house
project, with a bias toward simple and lightweight
2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham :
> LinuxManMikeC wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd wrote:
>>>
>>> At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
>
> I was recently researching template engines for a small in-house
> project, with a bias toward
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd wrote:
At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
I was recently researching template engines for a small in-house
project, with a bias toward simple and lightweight. I found this
interesting article in my
2009/5/23 Nathan Rixham :
> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines other
> than smarty.
>
> I've got no problem with smarty and it does the job - but if there is
> something newer and lighter out there that I'm missing then I'd be a fool
> not to at least
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd wrote:
> At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
>>
>> LinuxManMikeC wrote:
>>>
>>> I was recently researching template engines for a small in-house
>>> project, with a bias toward simple and lightweight. I found this
>>> interesting article in my se
> ...
For a long time I used require(), simply because I worked in an
environment where the web people could either cope with PHP or were
programmers. But then I succumbed to the lure and wrote RTemplate
(http://www.phpguru.org/rtemplate) - a simple caching template doobry.
And now I still use re
i use smarty (a templating engine) for two important reasons...
1. in most of my projects, templates are designed by a third party and
i dont want them to access all my php variables.
2. smarty is meant to do html coding and in many cases i can get the
job done in single sentence, while it takes 3
At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
I was recently researching template engines for a small in-house
project, with a bias toward simple and lightweight. I found this
interesting article in my search. I think its worth considering if
you don't need all the bells
I've had a lot of success with Savant3: www.phpsavant.com becuase it's
pretty featureful yet fast(er than the alternatives I tested).
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote:
> LinuxManMikeC wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Ju
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote:
Hi All,
Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines other
than smarty.
I've got no problem with smarty and it does the job - but if there is
something newer and lighter out there that I'm miss
Kevin Waterson wrote:
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 23:21 +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote:
Hi All,
Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines
other than smarty.
I've got no problem with smarty and it does the job - but if there is
something newer and lighter out there that I'm
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 23:21 +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines
> other than smarty.
>
> I've got no problem with smarty and it does the job - but if there is
> something newer and lighter out there that I'm missing the
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines other
> than smarty.
>
> I've got no problem with smarty and it does the job - but if there is
> something newer and lighter out there that I'm missing then I'd
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