In data martedì 4 ottobre 2011 13:36:52, Aaron J. Seigo ha scritto:
> we know why we want to move away from the 20 year old implementation of
> screen savers, we know how we want to do it ... now let's execute on that
> plan, keep communicating to our users and partners about it and be open to
FY
On Tuesday, October 4, 2011 13:06:34 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > Well if they do I promise to ship an update to kwin to ensure that
> > xscreensaver is stacked underneath the desktop shell ;-)
>
> They'll find a way around that too. "If you make something idiot-proof,
> nature b
Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> Well if they do I promise to ship an update to kwin to ensure that
> xscreensaver is stacked underneath the desktop shell ;-)
They'll find a way around that too. "If you make something idiot-proof,
nature builds a better idiot." ;-) (And sorry, I don't remember who
origin
On Monday 03 October 2011 21:31:19 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > What would you say if KDE Plasma would no longer support X Screensavers?
> > * I would switch to another DE
> > * I would complain
> > * I would miss them but could live without them
> > * Don't use screensavers, it
Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> What would you say if KDE Plasma would no longer support X Screensavers?
> * I would switch to another DE
> * I would complain
> * I would miss them but could live without them
> * Don't use screensavers, it doesn't affect me
> * Don't care
You forgot option 6:
* Come up wi
Ivan Čukić wrote:
>> Probably because the distros are not shipping 4.7 yet. (4.1 to 4.6
>> actually do show desktop icons by default, in a folder view widget which
>> is set up by
>
> No plasma release had the folderview by default. Some of the distros
> had (have) the folder view as default conta
On Sunday 02 October 2011 14:15:01 Luca Beltrame wrote:
> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 10:43:43, Ivan Čukić ha scritto:
>
> > It needs to specify that "no X Screensavers" doesn't mean "no screensavers"
>
> krop on IRC raised an interesting question: is this "drop of support" related
> to just s
In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 10:43:43, Ivan Čukić ha scritto:
> It needs to specify that "no X Screensavers" doesn't mean "no screensavers"
krop on IRC raised an interesting question: is this "drop of support" related
to just support, or also library dependencies? This because some stuff such
On Sunday 02 October 2011 13:27:13 Luca Beltrame wrote:
> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 12:19:02, Martin Gräßlin ha scritto:
>
> > Poll created: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?ff&t�102
>
> I just blogged about this, so the poll gets more exposure.
cool thanks - I plan to also blog about it t
In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 12:19:02, Martin Gräßlin ha scritto:
> Poll created: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?ff&t102
I just blogged about this, so the poll gets more exposure.
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On Sunday 02 October 2011 22:07:30 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:26:34 Luca Beltrame wrote:
> >> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 02:47:49, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
> >>
> >> > without a custom Plasma init script enabli
In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 10:31:32, Martin Gräßlin ha scritto:
> would no longer support X Screensavers? * I would switch to another DE
Is there a good definition of "X" and "non X" screensavers? This is IMO
important to communicate to the userbase as for them they are likely one and
the s
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:26:34 Luca Beltrame wrote:
>> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 02:47:49, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
>>
>> > without a custom Plasma init script enabling the folder view of ~/Desktop
>> > one way or the other (either
> What would you say if KDE Plasma would no longer support X Screensavers?
It needs to specify that "no X Screensavers" doesn't mean "no screensavers"
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On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:26:34 Luca Beltrame wrote:
> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 02:47:49, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
>
> > without a custom Plasma init script enabling the folder view of ~/Desktop
> > one way or the other (either as a widget as in 4.6 or in Fedora 16, or the
> > KDE-3-sty
@Martin
I say kill X screensaver, and we'll make a few cute QML ones to ship instead.
@all
For me, it is not only about X-code versus non-X-code. It is also
about security of scrsaver's execution.
> Probably because the distros are not shipping 4.7 yet. (4.1 to 4.6 actually
> do show desktop ic
In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 02:47:49, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
> without a custom Plasma init script enabling the folder view of ~/Desktop
> one way or the other (either as a widget as in 4.6 or in Fedora 16, or the
> KDE-3-style "folder view as desktop" mode), complaints will start popping i
- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > unless we give them something better and communicate with
> > understanding.
>
> Users will not accept your "something better" unless their favorite
> existing screensaver runs on it. No amount of communication can change
> that.
Luca Beltrame wrote:
> After all, in the KDE Forums we don't see anymore people lamenting the
> lack of icons on desktop by default...
Probably because the distros are not shipping 4.7 yet. (4.1 to 4.6 actually
do show desktop icons by default, in a folder view widget which is set up by
default.
In data sabato 01 ottobre 2011 19:22:21, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
> Users will not accept your "something better" unless their favorite existing
> screensaver runs on it. No amount of communication can change that. (And
But one can "feel the pulse" of the users. Blogs, and even more so the KDE
F
Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> unless we give them something better and communicate with understanding.
Users will not accept your "something better" unless their favorite existing
screensaver runs on it. No amount of communication can change that. (And
please don't shoot the messenger! I don't even us
On Samstag 01 Oktober 2011 14:10:39 Marco Martin wrote:
> for saving from damage, there is a thing called "power saving" :p
Doesn't help the people who want a huge clock as screensaver without damaging
their
displays. It has to move.
A Plasma containment whose widgets can float and bounce from
On Samstag 01 Oktober 2011 12:36:12 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> we should also stress that if things like OpenGL screensavers are important
> enough to people, that support for "things to draw moving things on screen
> when locked" can be created anew.
We already have KWin effects – even gimmicky one
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Markus Slopianka wrote:
> On Samstag 01 Oktober 2011 10:52:04 Marco Martin wrote:
> > that's what the support of plamoids on screensaver is for ;)
>
> I already understood that but as a screensaver (you know: to actually save
> screens from damage, incl. LCDs) a few ad
On Samstag 01 Oktober 2011 10:52:04 Marco Martin wrote:
> that's what the support of plamoids on screensaver is for ;)
I already understood that but as a screensaver (you know: to actually save
screens from
damage, incl. LCDs) a few additional features are required. At the very least,
plasmoids
On Saturday, October 1, 2011 11:46:43 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > rather don't do this "if only one user is configured" as
> > a) this is rather never the case (does kdm know that "sauerbraten" and
> > "mpd" are no regular users? what about "nobody", "fetchmail"
yes, kdm does. this is how it kn
On Thursday, September 29, 2011 23:49:50 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > * drop screensaver support altogether, probably would create some troubles
> > as evil KDE removed screensavers
> > * add Plasma widget support to new screen locker implementation but drop
> > screensaver suppo
- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> Am Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:14:59 +0200
> schrieb Martin Gräßlin :
>
> > But when compositing is turned off, you currently get the plain old
> > implementation including screen savers. And I don't want to change
> > that code.
> Seconding Marco: "Why?"
it's such
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Markus Slopianka wrote:
> Is anybody aware of empiric studies for what (if at all) people use
> screensavers these days?
> Personally I'd expect clock, news headlines, and photo slideshows to be the
> top answers. QML replacements should be available for the top uses on
On Saturday 01 October 2011 04:46:29 Markus Slopianka wrote:
> Is anybody aware of empiric studies for what (if at all) people use
> screensavers these
> days?
> Personally I'd expect clock, news headlines, and photo slideshows to be the
> top answers.
> QML replacements should be available for t
Is anybody aware of empiric studies for what (if at all) people use
screensavers these
days?
Personally I'd expect clock, news headlines, and photo slideshows to be the top
answers.
QML replacements should be available for the top uses once the xscreensaver
code is
dropped. (IMHO at least.)
O
On Friday 30 September 2011 12:38:34 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2011 22:14:59 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > * add Plasma widget support to new screen
> > locker implementation but drop screensaver support (same problems as first
> > option)
>
> +1 for this.
>
> if the lock scree
On Thursday, September 29, 2011 22:14:59 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> * add Plasma widget support to new screen
> locker implementation but drop screensaver support (same problems as first
> option)
+1 for this.
if the lock screen is QML, when we get a QML version with OpenGL shaders
people can go cra
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:27:23 +0200, todd rme
wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Aaron J. Seigo
wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2011 07:48:28 todd rme wrote:
What about implementing a screensaver plasma wallpaper backend?
This
this would require significant changes to Plasma::Wallpape
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Friday, September 30, 2011 07:48:28 todd rme wrote:
>> What about implementing a screensaver plasma wallpaper backend? This
>
> this would require significant changes to Plasma::Wallpaper and a lot of
> changes to how the painting is ha
On Friday, September 30, 2011 07:48:28 todd rme wrote:
> What about implementing a screensaver plasma wallpaper backend? This
this would require significant changes to Plasma::Wallpaper and a lot of
changes to how the painting is handled there. i don't think this is a
realistic option before fr
> But when compositing is turned off, you currently get the plain old
> implementation including screen savers. And I don't want to change that
> code.
I'm with Marco on this one.
I don't think having two totally different code paths and user exp is a
good idea.
> * drop screensaver support al
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> So there are some solutions:
> * drop screensaver support altogether, probably would create some troubles as
> evil KDE removed screensavers
> * add Plasma widget support to new screen locker implementation but drop
> screensaver support
Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> * drop screensaver support altogether, probably would create some troubles
> as evil KDE removed screensavers
> * add Plasma widget support to new screen locker implementation but drop
> screensaver support (same problems as first option)
I don't think these are acceptable.
Am Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:14:59 +0200
schrieb Martin Gräßlin :
> But when compositing is turned off, you currently get the plain old
> implementation including screen savers. And I don't want to change
> that code.
Seconding Marco: "Why?"
> So there are some solutions:
> * drop screensaver support
On Thursday 29 September 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the work on the new screen locker implementation is nearly done (I can
> unlock again :-) and that brings me to an issue where I wanted to have
> more opinions: screensaver.
>
+1
>
> But when compositing is turned off, you curr
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