Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-13 Thread Anthony Baxter
As someone who's not been involved for some time now, but was release manager for a three or four years (2.3.1 through to 2.5.1), trying to have the release manager also be a decider of potentially controversial things doesn't seem scalable. Getting a release out is a heck of a lot of work, both t

[python-committers] Re: PEP 563 and Python 3.10.

2021-04-21 Thread Anthony Baxter
While I have not been involved in the release process for like 15 years or more, I would like to point out that breaking changes mean the distros are less likely to ship them, and be less likely to trust updates. Trying to get RH &c to stop shipping 1.5.2 was a huge effort. Always, any time when

[python-committers] Re: Proposed tiered platform support

2022-03-29 Thread Anthony Baxter
I wonder if putting this into a PEP might be a little heavyweight in terms of making adjustments to the platform triples and their priorities? I perhaps think something that's a look aside table with a defined policy of how to move various triples up and down might work better? On Fri, 11 Mar 2022

Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] next beta

2008-08-12 Thread Anthony Baxter
darn. I was hoping to get a 2.5.3 rc and final out soon. Can anyone else build the binaries? On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:43 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It sounds like Wednesday August 13th will not be feasible, so we'll do >> beta 3 on Wednesday August 20th. I've updated

Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] next beta

2008-08-12 Thread Anthony Baxter
ly surprised if more nasty lurking bugs remain in the C code. The google security review found a bunch, apple found some, but there's really quite a lot of code there... On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anthony Baxter wrote:

Re: [python-committers] ubuntu release plan

2008-08-14 Thread Anthony Baxter
What would this professionalisation get us that we don't have now? As far as I can see, the biggest hole at the moment (as always) is with people to trawl the tracker and triage bug reports and patches. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antoine Pitrou w

Re: [python-committers] Cutting Python 2.6

2008-10-01 Thread Anthony Baxter
If there's a screwup, and you need to recut the branch, you want to be sure someone else hasn't been helpful and added something else to the repo. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Jesus Cea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Barry Warsaw wrote: >> IIUC

Re: [python-committers] Cutting Python 2.6

2008-10-01 Thread Anthony Baxter
ix. > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If there's a screwup, and you need to recut the branch, you want to be >> sure someone else hasn't been helpful and added something else to the >> repo. >> >>

Re: [python-committers] Cutting Python 2.6

2008-10-01 Thread Anthony Baxter
> Hash: SHA1 > > On Oct 1, 2008, at 9:47 PM, Anthony Baxter wrote: > >> Sure, but that's more fiddly. From experience, when you're cutting >> releases, making things as simple as possible is a good thing. > > Especially when a lot of the process is sc

Re: [python-committers] Cutting Python 2.6

2008-10-01 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:08 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You're absolutely right and that sounds good. I will update the PEP >> accordingly. Martin, Ronald, Sean, what timezones are you in? I am >> US/Eastern. > > I'm in CET (Central European), that GMT+2 in DST, and GMT+1

Re: [python-committers] 3.0rc2 schedule

2008-10-02 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:47 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I propose that the release of 3.0rc2 is deferred until all release > blockers have been resolved (either by actually fixing them, or by > carefully considering that they shouldn't actually block the release). > > What el

Re: [python-committers] 3.0rc2 schedule

2008-10-02 Thread Anthony Baxter
IMHO if there's still big scary stuff out there, calling this a release candidate does us no good PR-wise, and does no good for our users. 3.0 is going to be scary enough for them as it is - cutting a release candidate that we either know is broken, or else has significant changes, is a very bad id

Re: [python-committers] Cutting Python 2.6

2008-10-02 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Nicholas Bastin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:25 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> > You always create a branch for the release (subversion doesn't make any >> > distinction between a tag and a branch anyhow, so you

Re: [python-committers] Python 3.0 branches ready

2008-12-03 Thread Anthony Baxter
Don't be silly, you don't really think the PSU would go after someone is a release manag On Dec 4, 2008 4:56 AM, "Barry Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 3, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le mercredi 03 décembre 2008 à 12:27 -0500, Ba... I hope not, but there's a black van

Re: [python-committers] Why r69846 is not merged to "release26-maint"?

2009-07-02 Thread Anthony Baxter
Speaking as a past release manager, the reason that things like that didn't get merged is because... drumroll... no-one merged them. It's another tree to checkout and patch. Personally, I was always of the belief that if someone wanted to fix docs (or comments, or other things like that) in a maint

Re: [python-committers] Why r69846 is not merged to "release26-maint"?

2009-07-02 Thread Anthony Baxter
The particulars of the revision control system don't matter as much as the discipline of teaching people to commit fixes. Right now, we have 2.6.x, 3.0.x and 3.1.x. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven < asmo...@in-nomine.org> wrote: > -On [20090702 17:15], Jesus Cea (j..

Re: [python-committers] Why r69846 is not merged to "release26-maint"?

2009-07-02 Thread Anthony Baxter
I think Barry should totally cut a completely pointless 3.0.2 release. We can call it the "homage to 1.6" release. Anthony On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jul 2, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > If I remember correctly I believe we decided at the language sum

Re: [python-committers] Data corruption issue (C IO library)

2009-08-06 Thread Anthony Baxter
I have in the past done a microrelease without a release candidate. It didn't go well. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > Hi everyone, > I'm just getting back from the nice trip to the Olympic Peninsula. I > should be able to do a release sometime next week. In the meanti

Re: [python-committers] Data corruption issue (C IO library)

2009-08-07 Thread Anthony Baxter
Its also about preventing the brown paper bag releases caused by stupid screwups. On Aug 7, 2009 8:08 PM, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: Georg Brandl wrote: > OK, maybe alphas and betas were a bit too skeptical; but there needs to be > *... As has been noted, release candidate -> maintenance release is t

Re: [python-committers] Misc/NEWS entries added to released versions

2009-09-14 Thread Anthony Baxter
Often the NEWS entry ends up being rewritten from the commit message to be more user-focussed description of the change... On Sep 14, 2009 6:33 PM, "Georg Brandl" wrote: Brett Cannon schrieb: >> brainstorm: >> >> It'd be nicer if we could generate the file from another source, >> perhaps ke...

Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] On track for Python 2.6.4 final this Sunday?

2009-10-13 Thread Anthony Baxter
I strongly urge another release candidate. But then, I am not doing the work, so take that advice for what it is... On Oct 14, 2009 10:18 AM, "Barry Warsaw" wrote: On Oct 13, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> I always thought that the idea of a release ... No, but let's do one anyway!

Re: [python-committers] Googler Python committers

2012-10-16 Thread Anthony Baxter
Yep. People tend to stop being so active when they join Google (including me) :-( There's a fair number of current or ex Python dev folks at Google. Guido, Jeremy H, Alex M, Neal N, Thomas W off the top of my head, I am certain there's a bunch more... On Oct 17, 2012 4:12 AM, "Gregory P. Smith" w

Re: [python-committers] Googler Python committers

2012-10-16 Thread Anthony Baxter
Fair enough - I did say "tend". :) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Anthony Baxter > wrote: >> >> Yep. People tend to stop being so active when they join Google (including >> me) :-( > > My

Re: [python-committers] Policy for committing to 2.7

2013-06-22 Thread Anthony Baxter
Maybe time it so when we *would* have released a 2.8 (18 months or so after 2.7) is when it goes into critical/security fixes only? On Jun 22, 2013 11:50 PM, "Eli Bendersky" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> On Jun 22, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Eli Bendersky wrot

Re: [python-committers] Trunk is ready for 3.4.0a2 work

2013-08-03 Thread Anthony Baxter
http://www.voodoochilli.net/artwork/illustration/chickens-of-war/ On Aug 4, 2013 4:34 PM, "Larry Hastings" wrote: > > > All the release engineering work for 3.4.0a1 has been merged. Cry havoc, > and let slip the checkins of war! > > > */arry* > > ___ >

Re: [python-committers] More explicit Code of Conduct for the issue tracker & core mailing lists?

2015-07-15 Thread Anthony Baxter
I approve of this. I wonder if we can't radically simplify it? Don't be awful. If someone says 'hey um that makes me uncomfortable' perhaps reconsider what you said. Perhaps say "oh oops, sorry". Don't be an awful person. Codes of conduct are awesome, but it depresses me that we need to write dow