[Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-01-31 Thread techtonik
Reviewers: , Please review this at http://codereview.appspot.com/4080047/ Affected files: M Tools/msi/msi.py M Tools/msi/msilib.py Index: Tools/msi/msi.py === --- Tools/msi/msi.py(revision 88279) +++ Tools/msi/ms

Re: [Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-01-31 Thread techtonik
There is no b.p.o issue as it's not a bug, but a tiny copy/paste patch to clean up the code a bit while I am trying to understand how to add Python to the PATH. I see no reason for b.p.o bureaucracy. Mercurial-style workflow [1] is more beneficial to development as it doesn't require switching fr

Re: [Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-01-31 Thread techtonik
It removes the dependency from msi.py making it easier to do the rest in subsequent patches. http://codereview.appspot.com/4080047/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http:/

Re: [Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-02-01 Thread techtonik
On 2011/02/01 19:50:23, Martin v. Löwis wrote: On 2011/02/01 07:22:57, techtonik wrote: > It removes the dependency from msi.py making it easier to do the rest in > subsequent patches. What rest specifically? Why are the msilib changes needed for that? The rest is to use ctypes, s

Re: [Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-02-01 Thread techtonik
On 2011/02/02 07:18:33, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Ah. That shouldn't be done. If anything is to be done, the builtin msilib can be considered, instead. Given the choice of using either ctypes or an external package, I prefer the external package. It is a surprise to find builtin msilib. Why is

[Python-Dev] Issue2889: Add Curses for Windows as native module for 2.6

2008-05-24 Thread techtonik
Does anyone would like to include Curses support in Windows from version 2.6? It works ok already using the patch from issue #2889 and PDCurses library, but needs expertise of core developers to integrate the patch into the build system, add library to externals to ship next windows Python with emb

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue2889: Add Curses for Windows as native module for 2.6

2008-05-24 Thread techtonik
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:48 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would really like to see this as release blocker, because the problem > > raised once in a while in the past and the windows people who are > > interested in getting console interface tools usually lack the knowle

[Python-Dev] Deprecated Cookie classes in Py3k

2008-05-27 Thread techtonik
I've noticed that some classes in Cookies module (namely SerialCookie and SmartCookie) deprecated since 2.3 still present in Python3000 documentation. http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/library/http.cookies.html Is it because ... ?: 1. Docs are not synchronized with API 2. Classes are not removed yet

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecated Cookie classes in Py3k

2008-05-28 Thread techtonik
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Georg Brandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was most likely an oversight on my part. I've now removed the classes > from the 3000 module. Nice! =) If you're up to fixing the docs, could you, please, also review the fresh issue about this module. http://bugs.pyt

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue2889: Add Curses for Windows as native module for 2.6

2008-06-02 Thread techtonik
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Paul Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As for PDCurses library itself there is a Makefile in PDCurses > distribution > > for Microsoft Visual C++ 2.0+ named vcwin32.mak I can't afford buying > > Visual Studio to test if it works with newer versions, but logic

[Python-Dev] HTTPS read-only SVN access is denied?

2008-09-03 Thread techtonik
SVN checkout over HTTPS protocol requires password. Is it intentional or just temporary server issue? I am behind a proxy that doesn't support PROPFIND requests and I can't test SVN+SSH, because 22 port is closed. Site docs keep silence about that HTTPS is used at all. Shouldn't authentication be

Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS read-only SVN access is denied?

2008-09-03 Thread techtonik
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Antoine Pitrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a workaround, if you only need read-only access, you can use the Mercurial > mirrors which should work through your proxy (AFAIK Mercurial only uses GET > and > POST). > > Type "hg clone http://code.python.org/hg/trun

Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS read-only SVN access is denied?

2008-09-04 Thread techtonik
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> And why not to setup HTTPS for anonymous read and authorized write >> access? It is not that hard to do and will solve many problems with >> proxies. > > Because it requires setting up a certificate. Certificate is alrea

Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS read-only SVN access is denied?

2008-09-04 Thread techtonik
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:48 AM, Antoine Pitrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I do not need the whole branch - only a small subset of files related >> to distutils. I know that bazaar can't do partial checkouts - it can >> only fetch the whole branch. What about mercurial? > > Mercurial can't do

Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS read-only SVN access is denied?

2008-09-04 Thread techtonik
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Did you try to open your browser to (for example) > http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk/Lib/distutils/ > and download the desired files from there? Yes, but it's a waste of time. It is SVN that should be fixed

[Python-Dev] xmlrpc via proxy for bzr and bugzilla in 2.6

2008-09-05 Thread techtonik
With 2.6rc1 at the doors people are asking if xmlrpclib will be able to communicate through a proxy? It causes bzr and bugzilla tools to fail if used behind firewall, and there is no easy workaround for users. http://bugs.python.org/issue648658 -- --anatoly t.

[Python-Dev] Determine minimum required version for a script

2008-10-01 Thread techtonik
Can somebody remind how to check script compatibility with old Python versions? I can remember PHP_CompatInfo class for PHP that parses a script or directory to find out the minimum version and extensions required for them to run, and I wonder if there was anything like this for Python? -- --ana

[Python-Dev] Excess help() output

2014-07-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, The help() output is confusing for beginners: >>> class B(object): ... pass ... >>> help(B) Help on class B in module __main__: class B(__builtin__.object) | Data descriptors defined here: | | __dict__ | dictionary for instance variables (if defined) |

[Python-Dev] subprocess research - max limit for piped output

2014-07-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
I am trying to figure out what is maximum size for piped input in subprocess.check_output() I've got limitation of about 500Mb after which Python exits with MemoryError without any additional details. I have only 2.76Gb memory used out of 8Gb, so what limit do I hit? 1. subprocess output read bu

Re: [Python-Dev] bytes-like objects

2014-10-05 Thread anatoly techtonik
That's a cool stuff. `bytes-like object` is really a much better name for users. ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-17 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > This thread hasn't been productive for a really long time now. I agree. The constructive way would be to concentrate on looking for causes. I don't know if there is a discipline of "programming language usability" in computer science, bu

[Python-Dev] python 2.7.9 regression in argparse?

2015-01-06 Thread anatoly techtonik
https://github.com/nickstenning/honcho/pull/121 -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.c

Re: [Python-Dev] hg vs Github [was: PEP 481 - Migrate Some Supporting Repositories to Git and Github]

2015-01-17 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Jim J. Jewett wrote: > >> What I really don't understand is why this discussion is hg v. >> GitHub, when it should be hg v. git. Particular hosting is >> a secondary issue > > I think even the proponents concede that git isn't better enough > to justify a switch in

[Python-Dev] 2.7.9 regression in argparse

2015-03-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
Just a pointer for possible regression http://bugs.python.org/issue23058 -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Automated testing of patches from bugs.python.org

2015-05-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
ertain module has by downloading all patches from open issues, parsing them and comparing the paths. It is possible to reuse the parser to check paths in patch against paths present in certain Python versions, or add different heuristics. https://bitbucket.org/techtonik/python-stdlib All this is pure

Re: [Python-Dev] Mingw help

2015-06-05 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:24 AM, Steve Dower wrote: > If you have an interest in linking to the Windows builds of Python 2.7 and > 3.5+ using mingw, please visit http://bugs.python.org/issue24385 > > Unless someone can provide me with the One True Way to generate a lib that > will work for everyone

[Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/1ee45eb6aab9/Parser/Python.asdl In Assign(expr* targets, expr value), why the first argument is a list? -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/10 anatoly techtonik : >> http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/1ee45eb6aab9/Parser/Python.asdl >> >> In Assign(expr* targets, expr value), why the first argument is a list? > > x = y = 42 Thanks. S

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik : >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2013/11/10 anatoly techtonik : >>>> http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/1ee45eb6aab9/Parser/Python.as

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:54 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: >> 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik : >>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson >>> wrote: >>>> 2013/11/10 anatoly tech

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/15 anatoly techtonik : >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik : >>>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson >>&g

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/22 anatoly techtonik : >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2013/11/15 anatoly techtonik : >>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson >>&g

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428 (pathlib) now committed

2013-11-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
ython.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/techtonik%40gmail.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428 (pathlib) now committed

2013-11-23 Thread anatoly techtonik
> Python-Dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/techtonik%40gmail.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] buildbot's are needlessly compiling -O0

2013-11-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On 24 Nov 2013 17:15, "Gregory P. Smith" wrote: >> >> our buildbots are setup to configure --with-pydebug which also >> unfortunately causes them to compile with -O0... this results in a python >> binary that is excruciatingly slow and mak

[Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
I wanted to help people who are trying to find out more about PEP submission process by providing relevant info (or a pointer) in README.rst that is located at the root of PEPs repository. You can see it here. https://bitbucket.org/rirror/peps I filled this issue with b.p.o http://bugs.python.or

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Anatoly, the Python community is a lot more diverse than you think. "Pull > requests" (whatever that means) are not the way to start a PEP. You should > start by focusing on the contents, and the mechanics of editing it and > getting it fo

Re: [Python-Dev] Python3 "complexity"

2014-01-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 09/01/2014 06:50, Lennart Regebro wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Ben Finney >> wrote: >>> >>> Kristján Valur Jónsson writes: >>> Believe it or not, sometimes you really don't care about encodings. Sometimes you ju

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.3): Update Sphinx toolchain.

2014-01-12 Thread anatoly techtonik
>> Python-Dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev >> Unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/songofacandy%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > INADA Naoki > > __

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.3): Update Sphinx toolchain.

2014-01-13 Thread anatoly techtonik
t; instead of dir names, and move dir names into parameters, because it is how it is most often used. -- anatoly t. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > That's also planned, see > https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx-new-make-mode/. > > Georg > > Am 12.01.

[Python-Dev] PyPI offline, status is ok

2014-02-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
http://status.python.org/ shows all green https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gazest shows Error 503 backend read error backend read error Guru Meditation: XID: 2792709923 Varnish cache server https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ shows XID: 4199593736 -- anatoly t. _

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI offline, status is ok

2014-02-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:23 PM, anatoly techtonik > wrote: >> http://status.python.org/ shows all green >> >> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gazest shows >> >> Error 503 backend read error >> &

[Python-Dev] Dead code in json/encoder?

2014-03-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
It looks like _one_shot parameter is always called with True argument and unused. What is the purpose of it? https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/de1b33f6e6071816a1fc52cd5f0c6cd47d704251/Lib/json/encoder.py#L239-L249 -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mail

[Python-Dev] New absolute __file__ in Python 3.4

2014-04-04 Thread anatoly techtonik
https://docs.python.org/3.4/whatsnew/3.4.html#other-language-changes 1. Is this absolute name with symlinks resolved? 2. Why there is a special case for __main__? (i.e. Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.) 3. What link should I click in Python reference to read about standa

[Python-Dev] Python usability study (Was: Language Summit notes)

2014-04-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Kushal Das wrote: > Glyph wants a PSF fund to a usability study on Python. There were a > few other suggestion on PSF support for tooling development. +2 on initiative -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-D

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7.7. on Windows

2014-04-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On 04/29/2014 05:12 AM, Steve Dower wrote: >> >> This would be an incredibly painful change that would surprise and hurt a >> lot of >> people. > > > Hi, I think "incredibly painful" is overstating the case a bit. ;) We're > talking about an

[Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
I am banned from tracker, so I post the bug here: Normal Windows behavior: >hg status --rev ".^1" M mercurial\commands.py ? pysptest.py >hg status --rev .^1 abort: unknown revision '.1'! So, ^ is an escape character. See http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/35565-45-when-special-comman

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Why pass shell=True when executing a single > command? I don't get it. > I don't know about Linux, but on Windows programs are not directly available as /usr/bin/python, so you need to find command in PATH directories. Passing shell=True m

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Ryan wrote: > > In all seriousness, to me this is obvious. When you pass a command to the > > shell, naturally, certain details are shell-specific. > On Windows cmd.exe is used by default: http://hg.python

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:00 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > Also notice that using a list with shell=True is using the API > incorrectly. It wouldn't even work on Linux, so that torpedoes > the cross-platform concern already :) > > This kind of confusion is why I opened http://bugs.python.org/issu

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > SHELLS ARE NOT CROSS-PLATFORM Seriously, there are going to be > differences. If you really must: > > escape = lambda s: s.replace('^', '^^') if os.name == 'nt' else s > It is not about generic shell problem, it is about specific behavi

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > "R. David Murray" writes: > > Also notice that using a list with shell=True is using the API > > incorrectly. It wouldn't even work on Linux, so that torpedoes > > the cross-platform concern already :) > > > > This kind of confusion is why

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > ISTM what you want is not shell=True, but a separate function that > > follows the system policy for translating a command name into a > > path-to-binary. That's something that, A

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-27 Thread anatoly techtonik
about work being done on interpreter and stdlib * split the information about stdlib development by modules * describe modules composing in stdlib in formal way https://bitbucket.org/techtonik/python-stdlib * build a roadmap by module (join personal wishlist from involved people) * externa

[Python-Dev] Fwd: Issue 1229 in nativeclient: Get Python to work under Native Client

2013-07-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
Does Python build system support cross-compiling? NaCl projects seems to have problem with that. Just thought you might be interested to know about it. -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Issue 1229 in nativeclient: Get Python to work un

[Python-Dev] TransformDict (PEP 455) Naming

2013-09-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
Does anybody know if http://vote.python.org is already operational? I decided to start a separate thread for TransformDict name, because I want to change it. Current implementation of PEP 455 only touches dictionary keys and it is more narrow than the name suggests. I'd reserve TransformDict name

[Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrap) TL;DR and Usage Scenario

2013-09-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > With the last round of updates, I believe PEP 453 is ready for > Martin's pronouncement. > > HTML: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0453/ > Major diffs: http://hg.python.org/peps/rev/b2993450b32a I'd enjoy concise PEP texts, but it is extre

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding support to curses library

2009-02-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/techtonik%40gmail.com > -- --anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Pybots link obsolete?

2009-02-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
#". > > Regards > > Antoine. > > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wins Linux New Media Award for Best Open Source Programming Language

2009-03-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Lie Ryan wrote: The prize was Martin von Löwis of the Python Foundation on behalf of the Python community itself. >>> >>> This is a funny translation from German-to-English. :-) >>> >>> But yeah, a good one and the prize was presented by Klaus Knopper

[Python-Dev] version compare function into main lib

2009-03-27 Thread anatoly techtonik
Greetings, Correct me if I wrong, but shouldn't Python include function for version comparisons? The problem of splitting a string like "10.3.40-beta" into tuple for cmp() seems to be dead simple, but the code gets bulky with excepting errors arised from converting resulting strings for arithmeti

Re: [Python-Dev] os.defpath for Windows

2009-04-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
bscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/techtonik%40gmail.com > ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Python-Dev] Roundup keywords for bug tracking

2009-06-05 Thread anatoly techtonik
It is impossible to edit roundup keywords and this takes away the flexibility in selecting bugs related to a module/function/test or some other aspect of development. For example, I need to gather all subprocess bugs in one query and things that won't be fixed in deprecated os.popen() into another.

Re: [Python-Dev] Roundup keywords for bug tracking

2009-06-08 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Daniel Diniz wrote: > anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> It is impossible to edit roundup keywords and this takes away the >> flexibility in selecting bugs related to a module/function/test or >> some other aspect of development. For ex

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of 2.7 and 3.2

2009-06-08 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > I have thought that 2.7 was now to come out instead with 3.2 and would > include backported 3.2 new features.  Others expect 2.7 to come out soon > after 3.1 and to only contain new 3.1 features.  So Guido or someone, please > clarify: is 2.7

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of 2.7 and 3.2

2009-06-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > I am not quite sure whether you are for new features or not. Your > first sentence ("vote for ... not adding new features") seems to > suggest that you would not like to see new features, and your last > sentence ("absence of native cur

[Python-Dev] Roundup dependency tree changes

2009-09-17 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hello, How about allowing all authenticated users update dependency field in Python tracker? http://bugs.python.org/iss...@sort0=dependencies&@sortdir0=on&@sort1=&@group0=priority&@group1=&@columns=title,id,activity,dependencies,status&@pagesize=150&@startwith=0 Looks like developers with access

[Python-Dev] IDLE as default Python editor (Was: [pygame] Python IDE for windoz)

2009-11-08 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hello, Quite an interesting question recently popped up in pygame community that I'd like to ask to Python developers. How many of you use IDLE? What's wrong with it? >From my side I like the idea of having default Python editor that is small, fast, convenient and extensible/embeddable. IDLE is

[Python-Dev] Replacing IDLE

2009-11-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:10 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> >> Anatoly's question is actually a fair one for python-dev - we're the >> ones that *ship* Idle, so it is legitimate to ask our reasons for >> continuing to do so. > > OTOH, the second (or, rather, third) question (does anybody think i

Re: [Python-Dev] Replacing IDLE

2009-11-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > What's so bad about IDLE that you'd like to replace it? That was exactly my previous question. You don't use IDLE either, so why not to replace it with something that you can actually use, with something that is at least extensible? So p

Re: [Python-Dev] Replacing IDLE

2009-11-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > >> Then there will be another issue - all editors are based upon some >> frameworks - I didn't see any popular cross-platform GUI toolkits in >> Python, so we will inevitably face the need to replace Tkinter with >> other default GUI toolkit.

Re: [Python-Dev] Replacing IDLE

2009-11-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:49 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > This is not how it works. We cannot incorporate something into Python > without explicit consent and support from the author(s). So for any > editor to be incorporated as a replacement (along with all libraries > it depends on) we woul

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI front page

2009-11-13 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes: >>> There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the >>> PyPI website. >> >> Speaking of which, why is it that http://pypi.python.org/pypi and >> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ (not

Re: [Python-Dev] Pronouncement on PEP 389: argparse?

2009-12-27 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Steven Bethard wrote: > > If you're only concerned about 2.X, then yes, optparse will *never* be > removed from 2.X. There will be a deprecation note in the 2.X > documentation but deprecation warnings will only be issued when the -3 > flag is specified. Please se

[Python-Dev] Fixed URL to 2.6 documentation

2010-02-04 Thread anatoly techtonik
Greetings, I'm writing a module for current Python 2.6 and I would like to reference documentation for Python 2.6, because I am not sure if behavior won't be changed in further series. So far I can link only to: http://docs.python.org/ (stable, 2.6) http://docs.python.org/dev/ (2.7) http://docs.p

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I'm thinking about doing a Python 2.6.5 release soon.  I've added the > following dates to the Python release schedule Google calendar: > > 2009-03-01 Python 2.6.5 rc 1 > 2009-03-15 Python 2.6.5 final > > This allows us to spend some time on 2.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : >> >> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this >> one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608  Is it ok to release new ver

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:55 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : >>> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this >>> one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608  Is it ok to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Besides, as Barry said, classifying a bug as blocker is also a good way > to attract some attention on it. Other classifications, even "critical", > don't have the same effect. Unfortunately, not many people have privilege to change bug p

[Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
What is the point in maintaining archive listed in http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not searchable? Recently I needed to find old thread about adding tags to roundup but couldn't. GMane archive doesn't search - http://news.gmane.org/navbar.php?group=gmane.comp.python.dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik : >> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not >> searchable? > > It is: > > Goog

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik : >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik : >>>> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in >>>>

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik : >> Yep. Just like I said. So, how about to add Google search form to >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev ? > > You'll have to talk to [email protected] abo

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not >> searchable? >> Recently I needed to find old thread about adding tags to roundup but >> couldn't. >> >> GMane archive

[Python-Dev] Release timer for Core Development page

2010-02-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
I've got another idea of having a release timer on http://python.org/dev/ page together with link to generated release calendar. It will help to automatically monitor deadlines for feature fixes in alpha releases without manually monitoring this mailing list. There is already a navigation box on t

[Python-Dev] Add UTC to 2.7 (PyCon sprint idea)

2010-02-16 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hello, So far, Python timezone handling is far from "pythonic". There is no function to get current UTC offset, intuitive API to get DST of current time zone and whenever it is active, no functions to work with internet timestamps (RFC 3339). In my case [1] it took about one month and five people

Re: [Python-Dev] Add UTC to 2.7 (PyCon sprint idea)

2010-02-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >> So far, Python timezone handling is far from "pythonic". There is no >> function to get current UTC offset, (...) > > There is the time.timezone attribute: UTC offset in seconds. It is correct only if DST is not in effect. On Tue, Feb 16,

[Python-Dev] Tracker reviews workflow and flags

2010-03-19 Thread anatoly techtonik
I want to push some of my patches before 2.7 and use 5-1 rule for that, but I can't come up with any review workflow other than mailing status of my comments to the issues here. I can't mark issues in any way. How about giving users ability to set flags or keywords? Maybe entering a separate field

[Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7

2010-03-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
I wonder if there are many people here who don't use some kind of "easy_install" package for package management in their Python / virtualenv installations? I propose to include at least one such package that is capable to auto-update itself in Python 2.7 C:\~env\Python27>python.exe -m easy_install

Re: [Python-Dev] Joel Spolsky on Mercurial

2010-03-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >> Having gotten that far, I think this might be worth referencing in new dev >> docs. > > Will do. I finally read hginit yesterday, after having seen people > rave about it on twitter for a few weeks, and it's a very friendly > introduction

Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7

2010-03-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > > Distutils2 is planned to be reintegrated in the stdlib in Python 3.3, > and my goal is to release it when Python 2.7 final is released. Does that means "after" Python 2.7, because I meant it to be "before" or at least "with"? > The open qu

Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7

2010-03-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
> Sure. Package management tool should have an ability to update itself when > required regardless of Python release. For example:: > > python.exe -m easy_install setuptools > This should be: python -m easy_install -U setuptools P.S. Wave effect. =) -- anatoly t. __

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for commit access

2010-03-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:34 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > Procedurally, I wonder where people got the notion from that you can or > need to apply for commit access. IIUC, it used to be the case that you > would be recommended for commit access, by some (more or less senior) > fellow committer

[Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
t So, do we need a PEP for that? How else can I know if consensus is reached? Anybody is willing to elaborate on implementation? P.S. Please be careful to reply to relevant lists -- anatoly t. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > 2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik : > [..] >&g

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC 2010 is on -- projects?

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/techtonik%40gmail.com > ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> >> Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct >> user how to download and install an actual package  management tool >> when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool - >> `easy_install` - a part of `se

Re: [Python-Dev] [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
2010/3/29 Lennart Regebro : > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct >> user how to download and install an actual package  management tool >> when users tries to use it. So far I know

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > [..] >> distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know >> anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about >> dependencies. > > At this point, no one knows anything about installed packages at the > Pyth

[Python-Dev] Google Groups mirror (Was: Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > Anatoly, I am now answering only in Distutils-SIG. > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, anatoly techtonik > wrote: > [..] Seems like I start to hate mailing lists even more with all this message duplication and thread foll

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
2010/3/29 Nick Coghlan : > anatoly techtonik wrote: >> So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 >> and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as >> before: > > Until the discussed package management tools

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