Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-20 Thread Joshua Landau
On 19 July 2013 23:35, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 4:54 AM, wrote: >> And do not forget memory. The €uro just become expensive. >> > sys.getsizeof(' >> ) >> 26 > sys.getsizeof('€') >> 40 >> >> I do not know. When an €uro char need 14 bytes more that >> a dollar, I bel

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-19 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 7/10/13 3:55 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: A moderator who calls himself “animuson� on Stack Overflow doesn’t want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. Additionally my account has been suspended f

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-19 Thread Dave Angel
On 07/19/2013 06:35 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 4:54 AM, wrote: And do not forget memory. The €uro just become expensive. sys.getsizeof(' ) 26 sys.getsizeof('€') 40 I do not know. When an €uro char need 14 bytes more that a dollar, I belong to those who thing there

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 4:54 AM, wrote: > And do not forget memory. The €uro just become expensive. > sys.getsizeof(' > ) > 26 sys.getsizeof('€') > 40 > > I do not know. When an €uro char need 14 bytes more that > a dollar, I belong to those who thing there is a problem > somewhere. Oh

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-19 Thread wxjmfauth
Le mercredi 10 juillet 2013 11:00:23 UTC+2, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: > > > > > A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want > > > to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python > > > regu

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-19 Thread Jake Angulo
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t > want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python > regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. > Additionally my account has b

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-18 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Joshua Landau landau.ws> writes: > > > The same with Unicode. We hate French people, > > And for good damn reason too. They're ruining our language, á mon avis. We do! Regards Antoine. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-12 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 10-07-13 13:56, Benedict Verheyen schreef: Op Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:12:10 +0100, schreef Joshua Landau: Do you have any non-trivial, properly benchmarked real-world examples that this affects, remembering to use full Unicode support in Perl (as Python has it by default)? Indeed, as Joshua

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-11 Thread Michael Torrie
On 07/10/2013 02:43 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: > I fear you don’t even know what a regular expression is. Then this will > of course not affect you. Hmm, and your stack exchange posts had a similar tone, hmm? I for one have never ready any of your posts on this forum before, so it looks like you've

Re: Stack Overflow bans Mats Peterson (was Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”)

2013-07-10 Thread Michael Torrie
On 07/10/2013 06:06 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: > I haven't provided a "real-world" example, since I expect you Python > Einsteins to be able do an A/B test between Python and Perl yourselves > (provided you know Perl, of course, which I'm afraid is not always the > case). And why would I use any "cu

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Michael Torrie
On 07/10/2013 06:22 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: > You're showing by these examples what regular expressions mean to you. Chris is showing no such thing. And you are simply trolling. What do you want us to do, fall down and worship you and admit that Python is a horrible language and we should all u

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread alex23
On 10/07/2013 11:53 PM, Benedict Verheyen wrote: Op Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:06:06 +, schreef Mats Peterson: And why would I use any "custom" version of Python, when I don't have to do that with Perl? If you're able to do that with Perl, and Perl is faster that Python, why would you want to bot

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread alex23
On 10/07/2013 10:13 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: You're obviously trying hard to be funny. It fails miserably. It's obvious that you are quite familiar with miserableness. Also obvious is that animuson did the world of StackOverflow quite the favour. If only e moderated this list... -- http://m

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:53:34 +0100, Joshua Landau wrote: > I might be misattributing posts then. Or... YOU'RE IN DENIAL! Ranting Rick? Is that you? :-) > Who wins? You decide! Ah, definitely not RR :-) -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joshua Landau
On 10 July 2013 17:18, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 07/10/2013 08:54 AM, Joshua Landau wrote: >> >> On 10 July 2013 10:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want to f

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joshua Landau
On 10 July 2013 18:15, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 16:54:02 +0100, Joshua Landau wrote: > >> On 10 July 2013 10:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 16:54:02 +0100, Joshua Landau wrote: > On 10 July 2013 10:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: >> >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t >>> want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joel Goldstick
call your mom On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 07/10/2013 08:54 AM, Joshua Landau wrote: > >> On 10 July 2013 10:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overf

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Ethan Furman
On 07/10/2013 08:54 AM, Joshua Landau wrote: On 10 July 2013 10:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python regula

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: > Joshua Landau wrote: >> If you actually can satisfy these basic standards for a comparison (as >> I'm sure any competent person with so much bravo could) I'd be willing >> to converse with you. I'd like to see these results where Python comp

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joshua Landau
On 10 July 2013 10:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: > >> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want >> to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >> regular expression matching being extremely

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread memilanuk
On 07/10/2013 05:39 AM, Joshua Landau wrote: On 10 July 2013 13:35, Skip Montanaro wrote: Either that or it's funny only to other Australians. Or the Dutch. Or us Brits. Or the Yanks... Normally I kill-file threads like this pretty early on, but I have to admit - I'm enjoying watching

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Benedict Verheyen
Op Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:06:06 +, schreef Mats Peterson: > I haven't provided a "real-world" example, since I expect you Python > Einsteins to be able do an A/B test between Python and Perl yourselves > (provided you know Perl, of course, which I'm afraid is not always the > case). I don't kno

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Joshua Landau wrote: > On 10 July 2013 13:35, Skip Montanaro wrote: >>> Either that or it's funny only to other Australians. >> >> Or the Dutch. > > Or us Brits. Hells bells... It appears everyone found it funny except the trolls. S -- http://mail.python.org/m

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joshua Landau
On 10 July 2013 13:35, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> Either that or it's funny only to other Australians. > > Or the Dutch. Or us Brits. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Scott
On 10/07/2013 14:22, Chris Angelico wrote: Either that or it's funny only to other Australians. ChrisA As a South African, I found it funny too, but then again, we often get confused. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Skip Montanaro
> Either that or it's funny only to other Australians. Or the Dutch. S -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> Chris Angelico wrote: >>> I know what regular expressions are. I've used them in Perl, PHP, >>> JavaScript, Python, C++, Pike, and numerous text editors (which may >>> have been backed by one of the above languages,

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joshua Landau
On 10 July 2013 12:14, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 10-07-13 11:03, Mats Peterson schreef: >> Not a troll. It's just hard to convince Python users that their beloved >> language would have inferior regular expression performance to Perl. > > All right, you have convinced me. Now what? Why should I ca

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: >> >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want >>> to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >>> reg

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: > >> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want >> to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >> regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl.

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Joshua Landau wrote: > On 10 July 2013 08:55, Mats Peterson wrote: >> . [anumuson from Stack Overflow] has deleted all >> my postings regarding Python regular expression matching being >> extremely slow compared to Perl. Additionally my account has been >> suspended for 7 days. . > > Whilst I don

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joshua Landau
On 10 July 2013 13:01, Mats Peterson wrote: > Antoon Pardon wrote: >> Op 10-07-13 11:03, Mats Peterson schreef: >>> Not a troll. It's just hard to convince Python users that their beloved >>> language would have inferior regular expression performance to Perl. >> >> All right, you have convinced

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 10-07-13 11:03, Mats Peterson schreef: >> Not a troll. It's just hard to convince Python users that their beloved >> language would have inferior regular expression performance to Perl. > > All right, you have convinced me. Now what? Why should I care? > Right. Why shoul

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Benedict Verheyen
Op Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:12:10 +0100, schreef Joshua Landau: > > Do you have any non-trivial, properly benchmarked real-world examples > that this affects, remembering to use full Unicode support in Perl (as > Python has it by default)? > Indeed, as Joshua says, instead of going through all the

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Skip Montanaro
> ... meant to be the word "posted", before his sentence got cut off by the > Python Secret Underground. Argh! That which shall not be named! Please, for the sake of all that is right, please only use the initials, PS -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Steve Simmons
Steven D'Aprano wrote: >On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: > >> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t >want >> to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >> regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joshua Landau
Google Groups is writing about your recently sent mail to "Joshua Landau". Unfortunately this address has been discontinued from usage for the foreseeable future. The sent message is displayed below: On 10 July 2013 12:08, Robert Kern wrote: > > On 2013-07-10 10:52, Joshua Landau wrote: >> >> >>

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 10-07-13 11:03, Mats Peterson schreef: > Not a troll. It's just hard to convince Python users that their beloved > language would have inferior regular expression performance to Perl. All right, you have convinced me. Now what? Why should I care? -- Antoon Pardon -- http://mail.python.org/m

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joshua Landau
On 10 July 2013 08:55, Mats Peterson wrote: > . [anumuson from Stack Overflow] has deleted all > my postings regarding Python regular expression matching being > extremely slow compared to Perl. Additionally my account has been > suspended for 7 days. . Whilst I don't normally respond to trolls,

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Robert Kern
On 2013-07-10 10:52, Joshua Landau wrote: On 10 July 2013 10:12, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: Then they would have full control of this list and what gets pos Ahhh so this is pos, right? Telling the truth? Interesting. I don't know what you me

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Joshua Landau
On 10 July 2013 10:12, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> Then they would have full control of this list and what gets pos >> >> Ahhh so this is pos, right? Telling the truth? Interesting. > > I don't know what you mean by that, but since the joke app

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > Have you ever compared the regular expression performance between Perl > and Python? If not, keep quiet. I think I can see why you were suspended. You and jmf should have a lot of fun together, I think. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/ma

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> I know what regular expressions are. I've used them in Perl, PHP, >> JavaScript, Python, C++, Pike, and numerous text editors (which may >> have been backed by one of the above languages, or may have been >> somethin

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> Then they would have full control of this list and what gets pos >> >> Ahhh so this is pos, right? Telling the truth? Interesting. > > I don't know what you mean by that, but since the joke appears to have > flown ov

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> Then they would have full control of this list and what gets pos > > Ahhh so this is pos, right? Telling the truth? Interesting. I don't know what you mean by that, but since the joke appears to have flown over your head, I'll explain i

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regardi

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings re

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t >>> want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >>> regular ex

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t >>> want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >>> regular ex

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:55:05 +, Mats Peterson wrote: > A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want > to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python > regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. That's by design. We don't w

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t >>> want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >>> regular ex

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:26:19 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow d

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:26:19 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow d

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings re

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t >> want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >> regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. >> A

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:26:19 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want to face the t

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:26:19 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want >>> to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >>> regu

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >>> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t >>> want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >>> regular ex

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t >> want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >> regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. >> A

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:26:19 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: >> A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want >> to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python >> regular expression matching being e

Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson wrote: > A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t > want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python > regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. > Additionally my account has be

Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”

2013-07-10 Thread Mats Peterson
A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. Additionally my account has been suspended for 7 days. Such a dickwad. Mats -- Mats Peters