On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 01:48 am, andrewpat...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 25, 2010 at 11:07:42 AM UTC+1, kj wrote:
>> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
>> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
>> this point?
>>
>> TIA!
>>
On Monday, October 25, 2010 at 11:07:42 AM UTC+1, kj wrote:
> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
> this point?
>
> TIA!
>
> ~kj
>
> PS: My question should not be construed as a defense for "
On 7/31/2012 5:49 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Ifthikhan Nazeem wrote:
as many as (about) 2*N - log2(N) parent child relationships
I would like to know how did you come up with the above formula? Forgive my
ignorance.
By non-rigorous experimentation, which did not qu
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Ifthikhan Nazeem wrote:
> as many as (about) 2*N - log2(N) parent child relationships
>
> I would like to know how did you come up with the above formula? Forgive my
> ignorance.
I come up with 2N - 2 myself. If there are N leaf nodes and N - 1
non-leaf nodes, th
*as many as (about) 2*N - log2(N) parent child relationships*
*
*
I would like to know how did you come up with the above formula? Forgive my
ignorance.
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> >>> import this
>
>
>>> import this
prints 'The Zen of Python', a poem by Tim Peters that consists of python
proverbs such as "Flat is better than nested." (Others things being
equal) why? Because it is a restatement of the principle of parsimony,
of not multiplying entities without necessity.
Suppose we have a
Gregory Ewing wrote:
> I get it. Does that mean that I don't get it?
Mu.
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On 11/9/2010 3:44 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
I don’t get it.
I get it. Does that mean that I don't get it?
Yes. As Dr. Feynman said about quantum mechanics.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
In message
, rustom
wrote:
If you take zen seriously you dont get it
If you dont take zen seriously you dont get it
That -- seriously -- is zen
I don’t get it.
I get it. Does that mean that I don't get it?
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On Oct 26, 12:11 am, kj wrote:
> In Steve Holden
> writes:
>
>
>
> >And everyone taking the Zen too seriously should remember that it was
> >written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
> >rounds of wrestling on television. So while it can give useful guidance,
> >it's n
In message
, rustom
wrote:
> If you take zen seriously you dont get it
> If you dont take zen seriously you dont get it
> That -- seriously -- is zen
I don’t get it.
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On Nov 6, 2:52 pm, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> rustom wrote:
> > If you take zen seriously you dont get it
> > If you dont take zen seriously you dont get it
>
> You forgot:
>
> If you explain zen you don't get it
I guess different communities have different settings for 'explanation-
Am 06.11.2010 02:36, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:19:47 +0100, J. Gerlach wrote:
>
>> Am 28.10.2010 03:40, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
>>> [ snip a lot of wise words ]
>>
>> Can I put this (translated) in the german python wiki? I guess it might
>> help more people to understand
rustom wrote:
> If you take zen seriously you dont get it
> If you dont take zen seriously you dont get it
You forgot:
If you explain zen you don't get it
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On Oct 26, 12:11 am, kj wrote:
> In Steve Holden
> writes:
>
>
>
> >On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> >> On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj wrote:
> >>> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> >>> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrat
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:19:47 +0100, J. Gerlach wrote:
> Am 28.10.2010 03:40, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
>> [ snip a lot of wise words ]
>
> Can I put this (translated) in the german python wiki? I guess it might
> help more people to understand some decisions taken during python's
> development - a
Am 28.10.2010 03:40, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
> [ snip a lot of wise words ]
Can I put this (translated) in the german python wiki?
I guess it might help more people to understand some decisions taken
during python's development - and I'm to lazy to do something similar
myself ;)
Greetings from B
In message , Stefan
Behnel wrote:
> What's a "that boy"?
A boy who’s the opposite of fin.
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On Oct 27, 8:40 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Although the Zen is written in a light-hearted fashion, it is not
> intended as a joke. Every line in the Zen is genuine advice -- even the
> one about being Dutch. Would it help to write it out in a less light-
> hearted fashion?
>
> When programming
Andreas Waldenburger wrote:
> No, it wouldn't, hence Stefan's (and your) error. It maps to a specific
> boy. Replacing "that"s where possible, it becomes:
>
> I know that [the] "that" [which] that boy said is wrong.
Ah, I see now: I know that that "that" that _that_ boy said is wrong :)
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:47:35 -0700 (PDT) alex23
wrote:
> On Oct 27, 7:58 pm, Robin Becker wrote:
> > >> "I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!".
> >
> > well they say nested is hard. How about this break down
> >
> > I know that X that a boy said is wrong. (any boy)
> > I know that
On Oct 25, 10:23 am, Steve Holden wrote:
> it was
> written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
> rounds of wrestling on television.
Tim Peters...a "WrestleMania" fan...who would have guessed?
;-)
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Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:45:21 -0700, alex23 wrote:
> > The whole thing could be replaced by a single print """The Zen
> > of...""".
>
> But that would miss the point. It's supposed to be light-hearted.
Yes, and to that end it's also (deliberately, in my view) breaking as
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:45:21 -0700, alex23 wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> > Load the source code for the ‘this’ module into a text editor, and
>> > see how many of the maxims it violates.
>>
>> None of them.
>
> I'd say it easily violates the first 3, being neither beautiful,
> explicit nor
On 27 October 2010 20:58, Robin Becker wrote:
> On 27/10/2010 10:13, Stefan Behnel wrote:
>> Robin Becker, 25.10.2010 15:56:
>>>
>>> "I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!".
>>
>> What's a "that boy"?
>>
> well they say nested is hard. How about this break down
[...]
How about this b
On Oct 27, 7:58 pm, Robin Becker wrote:
> >> "I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!".
>
> well they say nested is hard. How about this break down
>
> I know that X that a boy said is wrong. (any boy)
> I know that X that the boy said is wrong. (a single boy)
> I know that X that that
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > Load the source code for the ‘this’ module into a text editor, and see
> > how many of the maxims it violates.
>
> None of them.
I'd say it easily violates the first 3, being neither beautiful,
explicit nor simple, and especially "Readability counts".
The whole thing c
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:02:19 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> Steve Holden writes:
>
>> And everyone taking the Zen too seriously should remember that it was
>> written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
>> rounds of wrestling on television. So while it can give useful
>> gui
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:02:27 +, kj wrote:
> I have nothing against humor. The reason why I find "import braces"
> funny is that it is so obviously a joke. But I do find it mildly
> annoying (and just mildly) that a joke/hoax/farce like ZoP/this.py is
> built into the standard lib, because a
On Oct 25, 8:23 am, Steve Holden wrote:
> And everyone taking the Zen too seriously should remember that it was
> written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
> rounds of wrestling on television. So while it can give useful guidance,
> it's nether prescriptive nor a bible .
On Oct 25, 4:18 pm, Ethan Furman wrote:
> kj wrote:
> > In Steve Holden
> > writes:
>
> >>> On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj wrote:
> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
> this point?
In Steve Holden
writes:
>On 10/26/2010 2:44 PM, kj wrote:
>> In Steve Holden
>> writes:
>>
>>> The answer is probably the same as you will see if you try
>>
>>> from __future__ import braces
>>
>>> That feature *is* available in Python 2.6 ;-)
>>
>> Now, that's hilarious.
>>
>See, ther
On 10/26/10 06:56, Steve Holden wrote:
> On 10/25/2010 3:11 PM, kj wrote:
>> In Steve Holden
>> writes:
>>
>>> On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj wrote:
> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> nested"? Why? Can anyone
On 27/10/2010 10:13, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Robin Becker, 25.10.2010 15:56:
"I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!".
What's a "that boy"?
Stefan
well they say nested is hard. How about this break down
I know that X that a boy said is wrong. (any boy)
I know that X that the boy
Robin Becker, 25.10.2010 15:56:
"I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!".
What's a "that boy"?
Stefan
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On Tue, 2010-10-26, Carl Banks wrote:
> On Oct 25, 11:20 pm, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> On Mon, 2010-10-25, bruno.desthuilli...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On 25 oct, 15:34, Alex Willmer wrote:
>> >> On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj wrote:
>>
>> >> > In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better t
On 10/26/2010 2:44 PM, kj wrote:
> In Steve Holden
> writes:
>
>> The answer is probably the same as you will see if you try
>
>> from __future__ import braces
>
>> That feature *is* available in Python 2.6 ;-)
>
> Now, that's hilarious.
>
See, there *is* a place for humor :)
regards
Ste
On 26/10/2010 14:18, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
This is a programming language named after a British comedy group (not
the snake). There are going to be jokes inserted in lots of otherwise
serious things. Like the standard library.
Please, lets NOT get a newsgroup cross feed!
I don't want spam, spa
In Steve Holden
writes:
>The answer is probably the same as you will see if you try
> from __future__ import braces
>That feature *is* available in Python 2.6 ;-)
Now, that's hilarious.
kj
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On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 09:45 -0700, John Nagle wrote:
> On 10/25/2010 6:34 AM, Alex Willmer wrote:
> > On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj wrote:
> >> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> >> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
> >> this point?
On 10/25/2010 6:34 AM, Alex Willmer wrote:
On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj wrote:
In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
I take this as a reference to the layout of the Python standard
libr
On 26/10/2010 15:42, Steve Holden wrote:
he answer is probably the same as you will see if you try
from __future__ import braces
That feature*is* available in Python 2.6;-)
In the past I used to think it was really cool that one could do
from __future__ import exciting_and_cool_new_stuff
On 10/26/2010 9:05 AM, kj wrote:
> Perhaps the disconnect here is that you're seeing the whole thing
> from an insider's point of view, while I'm still enough of an
> outsider not to share this point of view. (I happen to think that
> one the hallmarks of being an initiate to a discipline is an al
On 2010-10-26, kj wrote:
> (Though, humorless as it is of me, I still would prefer the ZoP
> out of the standard library, to save myself having to tell those
> who are even newer to Python than me not to take it seriously.)
Well, not to take it *too* seriously.
It's like any other Zen -- it's wo
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:05 AM, kj wrote:
> In Terry Reedy
> writes:
>
>>On 10/25/2010 3:11 PM, kj wrote:
>
>>> Well, it's pretty *enshrined*, wouldn't you say?
>
>>No.
>
>> > After all, it is part of the standard distribution,
>
>>So is 'import antigravity'
>
> Are you playing with my feelin
In Terry Reedy
writes:
>On 10/25/2010 3:11 PM, kj wrote:
>> Well, it's pretty *enshrined*, wouldn't you say?
>No.
> > After all, it is part of the standard distribution,
>So is 'import antigravity'
Are you playing with my feelings?
% python
Python 2.6.1 (r261:67515, Feb 11 2010, 00:51:29
On Oct 25, 11:20 pm, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-10-25, bruno.desthuilli...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On 25 oct, 15:34, Alex Willmer wrote:
> >> On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj wrote:
>
> >> > In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> >> > nested"? Why? Can anyone give me
On Mon, 2010-10-25, bruno.desthuilli...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 25 oct, 15:34, Alex Willmer wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj wrote:
>>
>> > In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
>> > nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
>> > this poin
Steve Holden writes:
> And everyone taking the Zen too seriously should remember that it was
> written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
> rounds of wrestling on television. So while it can give useful
> guidance, it's nether prescriptive nor a bible ...
Even to those
kj wrote:
In Steve Holden
writes:
On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj wrote:
In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
Two points on the practical side: most folk only remember a few levels
On 10/25/2010 3:11 PM, kj wrote:
> In Steve Holden
> writes:
>
>> On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>>> On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj wrote:
In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
>>
On 10/25/2010 3:11 PM, kj wrote:
Well, it's pretty *enshrined*, wouldn't you say?
No.
> After all, it is part of the standard distribution,
So is 'import antigravity'
> has an easy-to-remember invocation,
etc. *Someone* must have taken it seriously enough to go through
all this bother.
In Steve Holden
writes:
>On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj wrote:
>>> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
>>> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
>>> this point?
>>
>> Simple. This commandmen
In
rantingrick writes:
>On Oct 25, 5:07=A0am, kj wrote:
>> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
>> nested"? =A0Why? =A0Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrate=
>s
>> this point?
>Simple. This commandment (endowed by the anointed one, GvR) is
>direc
On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj wrote:
>> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
>> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
>> this point?
>
> Simple. This commandment (endowed by the anointed one, GvR
On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj wrote:
> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
> this point?
Simple. This commandment (endowed by the anointed one, GvR) is
directed directly at lisp and those filthy lisp
On Oct 25, 2:56 pm, Robin Becker wrote:
> On 25/10/2010 11:07, kj wrote:
>
> > In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> > nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
> > this point?
>
> ...
> I believe that the following illustrates the n
On 25/10/2010 11:07, kj wrote:
In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
...
I believe that the following illustrates the nesting issue (I think this is from
somewhere in Chomsky)
On 25 oct, 15:34, Alex Willmer wrote:
> On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj wrote:
>
> > In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> > nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
> > this point?
>
> I take this as a reference to the layout of the Python st
On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj wrote:
> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
> this point?
I take this as a reference to the layout of the Python standard
library and other packages i.e. it's better t
In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
TIA!
~kj
PS: My question should not be construed as a defense for "nested".
I have no particular preference for either flat or nested; it all
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