Re: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Alexander Koch wrote: [snip] If I am not utterly mistaken whether a personal copy is allowed or not is not taken into account when this personal copy is actively offered through a p2p network. At the point any copy is offered it's automatically not a personal copy any longer... Good point, but I e

RE: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Neil J. McRae
I think you'll find that there are always questions over who is to blame and who has commited a crime. In the end the courts [atleast in the UK and US] tend to go after the easiest targets, thus the ISPs. You'll also find that the media industries are working incredibly hard to kill off the idea th

R: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Manuel Wenger
You are all too generous with these people. That's a complete waste of time. A notice of claimed infringement from the United States has no legal value whatsoever in Switzerland. We receive tons of these emails everyday. I personally classify them as "Spam". If they want something from us, they

Re: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Peter Keel
* on the Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 07:28:54AM +0200, Alexander Koch wrote: > If I am not utterly mistaken whether a personal copy is > allowed or not is not taken into account when this personal > copy is actively offered through a p2p network. At the point > any copy is offered it's automatically not a

Re: R: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread ueli heuer
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:25:52 +0200 "Manuel Wenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are all too generous with these people. That's a complete waste of > time. A notice of claimed infringement from the United States has no > legal value whatsoever in Switzerland. We receive tons of these emails > e

Re: R: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
ueli heuer wrote: "Manuel Wenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are all too generous with these people. That's a complete waste of time. A notice of claimed infringement from the United States has no legal value whatsoever in Switzerland. We receive tons of these emails everyday. I personally clas

Re: R: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Erich Hohermuth
On Friday 26 September 2003 14:38, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: > I wasn't aware that these mails come along in dozens or hundreds. I > suggest that we (SwiNOG) write some kind position paper, maybe in > cooperation with Siug, which is published on our website. Suggestions, > proposals? I guess law peopl

RE: R: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Steven Glogger
> I wasn't aware that these mails come along in dozens or hundreds. I > suggest that we (SwiNOG) write some kind position paper, maybe in > cooperation with Siug, which is published on our website. Suggestions, > proposals? I guess law people of this list are most welcome to > contribute now :-) >