Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-02-23 14:38 GMT+01:00 Stefano : > Hello, > I just tried and Marinetraffic (probably the only -or one of the few- > consumer in the field) seems to handle only industrial=port in their custom > maps. > Does a totally new key have benefits? > I believe there are some

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-23 Thread Stefano
Hello, I just tried and Marinetraffic (probably the only -or one of the few- consumer in the field) seems to handle only industrial=port in their custom maps. Does a totally new key have benefits? Stefano 2017-02-23 1:52 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > > > > Javbw > On Feb 22, 2017, at

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-22 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > If you want more detail about the port (typology / properties), please > explain what should be added (you'll likely know better then me what you > need, as you have many of them). > >

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22 Feb 2017, at 20:52, Mark Wagner wrote: > > River. It's got facilities for handling bulk cargo, containerized > cargo, oil, and natural gas. It's got at least two cruise-line > terminals, three public marinas, a number of sightseeing-cruise

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-22 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 16:17:12 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2017-02-22 15:01 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring > : > > > In general ports are not of singular usage. Some shipping services > > may terminate at a particular port, but others may

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-22 Thread Malcolm Herring
In the port area where I live, fishing, ferries, cruises, general cargoes, oil and gas terminals, ship repairs, offshore support, wind turbine construction & shipment are all handled. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-02-22 15:01 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > In general ports are not of singular usage. Some shipping services may > terminate at a particular port, but others may not. There may also be > differing service types carried on at one port. > > Therefore any

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-22 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 22/02/2017 13:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What I haven't decided yet is whether to propose using a property like seaway:terminal =yes to distinguish terminals (route endpoints) from other ports, or if we use

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-02-22 13:26 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > Whenever this seaway key is "done" - please make a tagging example for > ports and "fishing ports" with lots of detail - besides massive port > facilities everyone knows about, I visit a lot of rural costal Japanese > towns for taking

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-22 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 22, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I also see these features, and there is already tagging available for many of > them (see the harbour page), but I wouldn't choose "landuse" for the feature. Sorry, I wasn't suggesting a landuse.

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-02-22 0:57 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > I can see, similar to an airport, there are runways, taxiways, terminals, > supporting buildings, and plane parking positions that together make a > singularly named landuse called "an airport". I also see these features, and there is

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 22, 2017, at 2:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > seaway=port ? Much like a beach is where the land meets the sea, it is both water and land- is the seaway the area, both land *and* the dedicated water area - perhaps the area protected behind a

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-02-21 16:31 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > Agreed, but not "man_made", which I think should only used on singular > objects. A port is much like a small town or an industrial park. a town is also treated as a singular object in place=town (or an airport in

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 21/02/2017 08:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: IMHO there should be a feature tag for ports (e.g. man_made=port) not just an indirect way of mapping landuse properties. Agreed, but not "man_made", which I think should only used on singular objects. A port is much like a small town or an

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21 Feb 2017, at 08:16, Malcolm Herring > wrote: > > Most of the instances of "landuse=harbour" are over areas that are in fact > port facilities. Other port areas tend to be tagged "landuse=industrial". > > Maybe someone can propose a

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-20 Thread Stefano
2017-02-21 8:16 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > On 20/02/2017 20:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> agreed, the wiki page titled 'Harbour' gives an overview of both, maybe >> the page should be renamed >> > > I could rename it "Harbours and Ports" and add text to

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-20 Thread Malcolm Herring
PS: I was going to propose "landuse=port" as an obvious choice. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-20 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 20/02/2017 20:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: agreed, the wiki page titled 'Harbour' gives an overview of both, maybe the page should be renamed I could rename it "Harbours and Ports" and add text to cover ports, but first I need some agreed tagging for ports. That was the question asked

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20 Feb 2017, at 18:15, Malcolm Herring > wrote: > > Ports and harbours are not the same thing. A harbour is merely a sheltered > body of water protected by man made or natural structures. A port, on the > other hand, is the whole

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-20 Thread Malcolm Herring
Ports and harbours are not the same thing. A harbour is merely a sheltered body of water protected by man made or natural structures. A port, on the other hand, is the whole infrastructure for handling ships & their cargoes. This may include any number of harbour areas, but also wharves,

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-02-20 16:58 GMT+01:00 : > I can't find any ports in my OSM data. I'm afraid I just forgot to add > this tag in styles when import. > Anyway, what is the correct way to get ports? > I would have expected them in man_made but apparently they are "hidden" in

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-20 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:58 PM, wrote: > I can't find any ports in my OSM data. I'm afraid I just forgot to add this > tag in styles when import. > Anyway, what is the correct way to get ports? They are "harbours" You can take a look at

[Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-20 Thread magno . abreu
I can't find any ports in my OSM data. I'm afraid I just forgot to add this tag in styles when import.Anyway, what is the correct way to get ports?In openstreetmap.org I can't find them too but I don't know if the port was just not added yet.This is the Rio de Janeiro port. When I query this area