Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

Analysis by a (retired) patent attorney at : http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/review-of-nasa-zawodny-us-patent-application-published-october-20-2011/ ... Accordingly, this patent does not represent that it is establishing a process for producing energy based on an LENR or Cold Fusion

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > I did recognize, but even so, I am not sure what you mean by energy needed > for capture. For example, in large nuclei, the required energy is 0, since > k-capture doesn't need to be induced or stimulated. > > It's all about the difference in

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > > Argh! I meant: "wouldn't have given a fart!" about what the scientific > establishment thought of him. Wouldn't!!! > We get it. Everyone knows Rossi has contempt for scientists. I think he exaggerates his contempt. I have a feeling he uses that as an excu

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

I sed: >> IMO, if Rossi feels he has successfully pocketed >> a few select corporations who believe in his technology >> he would give a fart about trying to appease the >> scientific establishment. Jed sed: > He never did a fart about that. If he has customers, > all the more reason to ignore s

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

I did recognize, but even so, I am not sure what you mean by energy needed for capture. For example, in large nuclei, the required energy is 0, since k-capture doesn't need to be induced or stimulated. 2011/11/21 Joshua Cude > In this and previous posts I said a few times that the energy needed

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

In this and previous posts I said a few times that the energy needed for electron capture by a proton is 780 MeV. That would be something, but it's actually 780 keV, which is still a lot, and is about 10 times bigger than what's needed for d-d fusion (less than 100 keV). I hope anyone who actually

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:18 AM, wrote: > >> Joshua, >> >> If this is a real phenomenon, might it not involve complex many-body >> effects that first-order approximations can't capture? >[...] > > If there are some empirical data obtained by NASA on lenr or the WL > theory, > I would be interes

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:18 AM, wrote: > Joshua, > > If this is a real phenomenon, might it not involve complex many-body > effects that first-order approximations can't capture? > Sure, but saying it's complex does not make it plausible. WL don't actually predict any reaction rates based on m

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

Joshua, If this is a real phenomenon, might it not involve complex many-body effects that first-order approximations can't capture? Also, since this is a NASA patent, doesn't it have to go through a fairly rigorous review process? and have some empirical data backing it? > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

(I decided to bypass the Joshua Cude discussion, to get back to the patent itself) The text of the application is at http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220110255645%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20110255645&RS=DN/20

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > Are you saying that WL -- > http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/cond-mat/pdf/0505/0505026v1.pdf Introduction, > First Column, up to Eqn (3) -- and Reference 1 -- are wrong? (I don't have > access to Ref 1 or a similar "well known" textbook). >

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

At 08:57 PM 11/20/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: Absolutely!  Widom-Larsen (where an electron combines with a Proton to form a Neutron and a Neutrino). has a critical mass, similar to the Coulomb barrier for regular fusion. Act

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > Absolutely! Widom-Larsen (where an electron combines with a Proton to > form a Neutron and a Neutrino). > has a critical mass, similar to the Coulomb barrier for regular fusion. > Actually, it's about 10 times higher. And it's an *energy*

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

Absolutely! Widom-Larsen (where an electron combines with a Proton to form a Neutron and a Neutrino). has a critical mass, similar to the Coulomb barrier for regular fusion. The muon:proton has enough mass, and is known to happen. But electron:proton doesn't --WL proposes one method of getting a

[Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

I do not think this patent application has been posted to Vortex yet: URL: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220110255645%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20110255645&RS=DN/20110255645 United States Patent Application