Re: [whatwg] Versioning (was: Re: Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch)

2007-03-14 Thread Robert Brodrecht
liorean wrote: > Well, I have several issues with that: > - First of all, that developers have low awareness of the HTTP side of > the web. Most web developers are happily ignorant about HTTP headers, > and even if they know about them, it's mostly limited to some specific > problem, such as cache

Re: [whatwg] Versioning (was: Re: Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch)

2007-03-14 Thread liorean
liorean wrote: > Well, the original question wasn't about versioning in particular as > much as it was Microsoft asking developers (not spec writers) for > something, anything, that they can use to tell whether the author has > written the document for HTML5 On 14/03/07, Elliotte Harold <[EMAIL

Re: [whatwg] Versioning (was: Re: Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch)

2007-03-14 Thread Robert Brodrecht
liorean wrote: > Well, the original question wasn't about versioning in particular as > much as it was Microsoft asking developers (not spec writers) for > something, anything, that they can use to tell whether the author has > written the document for HTML5 and more important the standard DOM, so

Re: [whatwg] Versioning (was: Re: Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch)

2007-03-14 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 14 Mar 2007, at 15:16, liorean wrote: This is a switch out of backwards-compatibility-hell for a single specific browser they are asking for, not something any other browser vendor should have to worry about. Other browsers introduced quirks mode to match buggy behaviour of others – what

Re: [whatwg] Versioning (was: Re: Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch)

2007-03-14 Thread Robert Brodrecht
Anne van Kesteren Wrote > IE doesn't have a broken box model in standards mode. I was under the impression you wanted to throw out different rendering modes because they are difficult for implementors. If so, at least for IE (and presumably quirksmode in other browsers, since they tend to mimmic

Re: [whatwg] Versioning (was: Re: Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch)

2007-03-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:16:49 +0100, liorean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, the original question wasn't about versioning in particular as much as it was Microsoft asking developers (not spec writers) for something, anything, that they can use to tell whether the author has written the document

Re: [whatwg] Versioning (was: Re: Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch)

2007-03-14 Thread liorean
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:01:38 +0100, Matthew Ratzloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Web has done great so far without it? When "strict" mode was > introduced, all existing websites didn't suddenly start rendering under > it. It was opt-in. Versioning is just a formalized way of opting into a

[whatwg] Versioning (was: Re: Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch)

2007-03-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:01:38 +0100, Matthew Ratzloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, March 11, 2007 3:20 pm, Anne van Kesteren wrote: There needs to be versioning? The web has done great so far without it... I'm not sure I really see the need. The Web has done great so far without it? Wh