Re: [whatwg] DOMTokenList is unordered but yet requires sorting

2009-05-14 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
If a token list represented an ordered set, it could not be sorted to get an item because the host would have to preserve the original (document) order of tokens. Chris

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread James Graham
jgra...@opera.com wrote: Quoting Philip Taylor : On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: One of the more elaborate use cases I collected from the e-mails sent in over the past few months was the following: USE CASE: Annotate structured data that HTML has no semantics for, and

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Shelley Powers
James Graham wrote: jgra...@opera.com wrote: Quoting Philip Taylor : On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: One of the more elaborate use cases I collected from the e-mails sent in over the past few months was the following: USE CASE: Annotate structured data that HTML ha

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Dan Brickley
On 14/5/09 14:18, Shelley Powers wrote: James Graham wrote: jgra...@opera.com wrote: Quoting Philip Taylor : On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: One of the more elaborate use cases I collected from the e-mails sent in over the past few months was the following: USE CASE:

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Shelley Powers
Dan Brickley wrote: On 14/5/09 14:18, Shelley Powers wrote: James Graham wrote: jgra...@opera.com wrote: Quoting Philip Taylor : On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: One of the more elaborate use cases I collected from the e-mails sent in over the past few months was the f

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Philip Taylor
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dan Brickley wrote: > Having HTML5-microdata -to- RDF parsers is pretty critical to having test > cases that help us all understand where RDFa-Classic and HTML5 diverge. I'm > very happy to see this work being done and that there are multiple > implementations. > >

[whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-14 Thread Eduard Pascual
I have put online a document that describes my idea/proposal for a selector-based solution to metadata. The document can be found at http://herenvardo.googlepages.com/CRDF.pdf Feel free to copy and/or link the file wherever you deem appropriate. Needless to say, feedback and constructive criticism

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 14, 2009, at 5:18 AM, Shelley Powers wrote: So much concern about generating RDF, makes one wonder why we didn't just implement RDFa... If it's possible to produce RDF triples from microdata, and if RDF triples of interest can be expressed with microdata, why does it matter if the

Re: [whatwg] / feedback

2009-05-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:29 PM, David Singer wrote: > At 12:09  +1000 13/05/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: >>> >>>  On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:56 PM, David Singer wrote:  At 14:09  +1000 9/05/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > >

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Shelley Powers
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 5:18 AM, Shelley Powers wrote: So much concern about generating RDF, makes one wonder why we didn't just implement RDFa... If it's possible to produce RDF triples from microdata, and if RDF triples of interest can be expressed with microdata, why

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 14, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Shelley Powers wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 5:18 AM, Shelley Powers wrote: So much concern about generating RDF, makes one wonder why we didn't just implement RDFa... If it's possible to produce RDF triples from microdata, and if RDF

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Shelley Powers
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Shelley Powers wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 5:18 AM, Shelley Powers wrote: So much concern about generating RDF, makes one wonder why we didn't just implement RDFa... If it's possible to produce RDF triples from

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: > [...] > If we restrict literals to strings [...] But *why* restrict literals to strings?? Being unable to state that "2009-05-14" is a date makes that value completely useless: it would only be useful on contexts where a date is expected (bas

Re: [whatwg] DOMTokenList is unordered but yet requires sorting

2009-05-14 Thread Erik Arvidsson
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 00:30, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: > If a token list represented an ordered set, it could not be sorted to get an > item because the host would have to preserve the original (document) order > of tokens. The question is why does the set need to be ordered at all as long as

[whatwg] [Fwd: Re: Helping people seaching for content filtered by license]

2009-05-14 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
sorry, forgot to cc the list Weitergeleitete Nachricht > Von: Nils Dagsson Moskopp > > An: Ian Hickson > Betreff: Re: [whatwg] Helping people seaching for content filtered by > license > Datum: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:04:41 +0200 > > Am Freitag, den 08.05.2009, 19:57 + schrieb

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
In short, this proposal looks very interesting to me. There are several things that attract me to it: * Looks very simple to author This is absolutely critical to any web technology and IMHO where RDFa fails. * Generic syntax which allows creations of generic parsers This will allow us to crea

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > * Support for specifying a machine-readable value, such as for dates, > colors, numbers, etc. > * Support for tabular data. > > Especially the former is very interesting to me. I even wonder it > would allow replacing the element with a stan

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Philip Taylor
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: > [...] >   _:X . > [...] >   >     >     >   > [...] > So, I can't see any limits on expressivity other than that literals > must be strings. Hmm, I think I'm wrong here. 'id' has to be unique, which means this pattern won't work if _:X is t

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 14, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Shelley Powers wrote: So, if I'm pushing for RDFa, it's not because I want to "win". It's because I have things I want to do now, and I would like to make sure have a reasonable chance of working a couple of years in the future. And yeah, once SVG is in HTML5,

Re: [whatwg] [Fwd: Re: Helping people seaching for content filtered by license]

2009-05-14 Thread Smylers
Nils Dagsson Moskopp writes: > Am Freitag, den 08.05.2009, 19:57 + schrieb Ian Hickson: > > > * Tara runs a video sharing web site for people who want > >licensing information to be included with their videos. When > >Paul wants to blog about a video, he can paste a fragm