[WSG] IE... grrr

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can someone CSS-savvy please take a look at http://stephencollins.blogdns.org/ and tell me why: * my calendar renders beautifully in Firefox and crap in IE? * the right-side bar is indented a couple of pixels on IE? I assume it's some CSS non-compli

[WSG] IE pushes text below viewport

Hi all, I am having a problem with IE 6(haven't tested IE 5.5 or earlier)pushing down the text to below the viewport if the text is longer than a line. Has someone experienced similar problem ? I have the problematic page here: http://spadoctor.jefferyfernandez.id.au/faq.php Refers to: "Can a

RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype

Chris Bentley might be able to give you an exact DOM solution, as he had to deal with this exact same problem only 6 months ago, but I'd still just try working with HTML 4.01 :O)   Cheers   Jeff Lowder Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/  

RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <> wrote: > Great idea, but i can't get it to work - > > Have tried > > window.document.childNodes[0].nodeValue = ' "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" \n > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd";>'; > > and similar in ie6, but the document stays in quirks mode. > > Any ideas

Re: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype

Great idea, but i can't get it to work - Have tried window.document.childNodes[0].nodeValue = 'http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd";>'; and similar in ie6, but the document stays in quirks mode. Any ideas or working examples of a doctype change? Also other browsers are returning the html

RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype

With regard to the DOCTYPE, you could use a DOM script to re-write it, if you like (I'd be wary though - you might end up with more in-valid pages than not). I would first start with whatever the CMS can output easily (least work), if that's HTML 4.0 then go with that - as this is still a complete

RE: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

You're right, the sarcasm was lost on me. My bad. Sorry. Cheers Mike Kear -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J Rodgers Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2004 1:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web stand

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

Actually I was thinking like the consultant that tried to pull the 'standards cost more' argument with two non-profits I do volunteer work for. The article you link to shows exactly what I have been saying for a long time.. I think scarcasm was lost in my post. Moving to XHTML/CSS will save me and

RE: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

Jesse you are obviously not a business owner or a general manager. And if you are, you're not thinking like a business owner. If you can produce work far faster now than you could before, you can charge less. But that's only one of your options. You charge less if you need a competitive advanta

[WSG] lotus domino vs doctype

Hi, I've been engaged to produce some standards compliant xhtml templates for a largish website for a legal firm. The programming and backend is being handled by another company - at the clients request they are using the 'Lotus Workplace Web Content Management' system (nee Aptrix) which is bein

[WSG] XHTML Strict compliant shopping carts

Title: Message G'day   I have,  for a number of years, used and recommended a particular shopping cart (not going to advertise it here)    Unfortunately, as with many such programs, the output it generates is laced with deprecated tags and attributes, nested tables and element nesting errors

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

Hi, new to the list but I couldn't resist this one as I have seen this first hand... The fact it takes less time and saves the client money could be the reason many designers don't want to leave tables behind. Think about the money a shop would lose? They would have to get more clients and improve

RE: [WSG] Suckerfish

Thanks Martin, i really have to take my hat off to you. and i have to say i really hate IE, but i wont start that fued again. thanks again From: "Martin Baylis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [WSG] Suckerfish Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:56:04 +1200

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

their site is what you call a "white paper" its like a government report but on the net. Governments around the world have read it. Its fairly simple ot navigate. - Original Message - From: "Michael Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:20 PM Sub

RE: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

I've since taken a quick look at macaws.org and at a cursory speed-scan there doesn't seem to be anything in that article called "What Every Web Site Owner Should Know About Standards: A Web Standards Primer" at http://www.maccaws.org/kit/primer/ that has anything about the business reasons for a w

Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

Neerav I think you have to look at a bigger issue here... is the time spent on getting a page to work in IE4 actually worth the effort? Users of IE4 have an upgrade path to a better browser - the time spent assisting these users to follow an upgrade path is more worthwhile than attempting to ma

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

I found it quite a good read... - Original Message - From: Mordechai Peller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards. t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: If this doesn't con

RE: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

I don't know I've never read it. You go to Maccaws.org and you have to go off to another link to read anything useful. Like the old days of the portals. No one had any content, only links to more sites that are themselves just pages of more links. I can't be bothered going from link to link

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: If this doesn't convince a web professional to take a serious look at these standards nothing will. and MACCAWS ( www.MACCAWS.org ) doesnt do this? Not the same way. maccaws' argument is an intellectual argument, while Rob

RE: [WSG] Suckerfish

Hi Fixed when added background:#fff; to #topnav li ul,#topnav li.over ul{position:absolute;display:none;} Rule Something to do with lack of "size" without the background Fixes in both ie6 and firefox Rgrds Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] O

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

> If this doesn't convince a web professional to take a serious look at these > standards nothing will. and MACCAWS ( www.MACCAWS.org ) doesnt do this? Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.o

RE: [WSG] I wrecked my CSS ... : (

Jeff, I had a quick look and... #content_bcrich is too wide. Reducing it to 570px stops the content from wrapping under the LHS column. Although, you may want to reduce the padding-left and add a little more to its width as the margin seems a bit large for your design. Add "clear : both;" to your

[WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

Here's an interesting article on the implications for a web development shop on using web standards for development rather than the antique table-based methods we all used to use. This author compares the time taken to develop a site then and now, after changing to using standards. If this does

[WSG] I wrecked my CSS ... : (

I wrecked my CSS somehow... : ( http://www.bcrich.com/2004/test/guitars.asp http://www.bcrich.com/2004/test/css/sub.css http://www.bcrich.com/2004/test/css/menu.css and have spent the last 3 hours getting absolutely nowhere. Jeff Thanks! Jeff http://www.patandjeff.com ***

[WSG] suckerfish

Hi, im trying to manipulate the macromedia dropdown withoiut the flash. It works fine in Firefox, but in IE if you hover off the first level list item , the second level vashishes, i need it to sit like it does in firefox. Maybe it's the javascript, or someting else, but if you want to take a cra

[WSG] Suckerfish

Hi, im trying to manipulate the suckerfish dropdown too act like macromedia's flash dropdown. It works fine in both IE and firefox but with one exception. When you hover in IE, as soon as you hover off the first level list item, the second level will vanish. Now i've tried a lot of coding to g

RE: [WSG] accessibility feedback

Great comments Mordechai   It's easy to miss some of these elements, such as title tags.  I like using the web development bar by Chris Pederick http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ in Mozilla.  I use the outline links without titles, images without alt, titles, etc funct

Re: [WSG] Padding problems in IE

It's fixed now. XHTML 1.0 Strict doesn't not work with padding for images in IE. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All appears fine in IE6/Win. Andy. I have a weird problem with IE. It's not showing the padding for images. Works fine in Opera and Firefox. URL: http://alegeri-locale.stockappletsoc

Re: [WSG] Padding problems in IE

All appears fine in IE6/Win. Andy. > I have a weird problem with IE. It's not showing the padding for images. > Works fine in Opera and Firefox. > > URL: http://alegeri-locale.stockappletsocale-2004.html > > > CSS > > i

Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback

Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys,I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we havecreated: http://www.jet.org.au.We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than anyBobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We arestil

Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

Neerav wrote: OK Ive narrowed down the code which makes IE4 crash to the 2nd box floated on the right hand side (currently commented out from line 221 - line 235) of http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php Basically the 2nd lower box "sample article" is formatted the same way as the "sample site" box a

Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback

Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys, I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than any Bobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We are still

[WSG] Padding problems in IE

I have a weird problem with IE. It's not showing the padding for images. Works fine in Opera and Firefox. URL: http://alegeri-locale.stockappletsocale-2004.html CSS img.cadru { padding: 10px; border: 1px solid red; backgrou

RE: [WSG] Accessible News Scroller/Ticker and Footer issue in IE

> The most accessible way of doing this sort of thing is to have something that does not scroll/animate/change by default. The user should enable the scrolling/etc by hand first. And it should obviously still work without javascript and/or flash (or, if you use flash, again have the default state o

Re: [WSG] Help validating a Counter script

Thank you Bert! It Worked. Bert Doorn wrote: G'day again Check this: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://alegeri-locale.stockapplets.com/2/a legeri-locale-2004.html Any other ideas

RE: [WSG] Help validating a Counter script

Title: Message G'day again> Check this: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://alegeri-locale.stockapplets.com/2/alegeri-locale-2004.html> Any other ideas?Yep.  As the validator says: http://cqcounter.com/?_id=razvan&_lo=ro">The mentioned element is not allowed to appear in the context i

Re: [WSG] Help validating a Counter script

Check this: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://alegeri-locale.stockapplets.com/2/alegeri-locale-2004.html Any other ideas? Bert Doorn wrote: G'day A couple of hints... 1. Close the meta tags: 2. Escape the forward-slashes (/) in the counter script: " \/\/1ro.cqcounter.c

RE: [WSG] Help validating a Counter script

I never even checked his actual code :E assumed he knew what he was doing, just didnt know what to do with the JavaScript... On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:35 , Bert Doorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > > > >Message > > > >G'day > >A couple of hints... > >1. Close the meta >tags: > >name="descript

RE: [WSG] Help validating a Counter script

Title: Message G'dayA couple of hints...1. Close the meta tags:        2. Escape the forward-slashes (/) in the counter script:    "http:\/\/1ro.cqcounter.com\/cgi-bin\/c?_id=razvan&_z=0&_r="+See how you go after that.Regards--Bert Doorn, Better Web Design[ www.bwdzine.net | www.

Re: [WSG] Help validating a Counter script

Erm im not 100% sure but if you just stick it in a external .js page and doe the normal Script inclusion wouldnt that get around the nasty JavaScript and let it validate? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstan

Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

It recovered within a min or two. no point emailing him, he probably gets flooded with mail and wont read it. meanwhile back to the problem at hand any ideas ? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development & IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: :O lmf

[WSG] Help validating a Counter script

Hello. http://alegeri-locale.stockappletsocale-2004.html We are having a SEO Contest. I am the only one who cares about Standards and Tableless design an I want to show the other guys the real power of standards. Problem is

RE: [WSG] Accessible News Scroller/Ticker and Footer issue in IE

> From: Mordechai Peller > What ever you do you'll still have problems with accessibility. > Scrolling text will always be a problem with epilepsy, visually > impaired, and motor impaired (clicking a moving target). Exactly. It struck me as interesting that the original poster wants to avoid JS be

Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

:O lmfao email the guy apologising just incase! :D!! Hes pretty sweet... - Original Message - From: "Neerav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash > Oh dear ... now his IEcapture page isnt respo

Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

OK Ive narrowed down the code which makes IE4 crash to the 2nd box floated on the right hand side (currently commented out from line 221 - line 235) of http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php Basically the 2nd lower box "sample article" is formatted the same way as the "sample site" box above it, howev

Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

Oh dear ... now his IEcapture page isnt responding for newly entered pages to test ... hope I didnt do anything to it. t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: "Neerav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

Thanks I forgot about that. I will give it a go, hopefully it doesnt crash his PC :-) t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: "Neerav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004

Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: "Neerav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash > Hi > > I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php

[WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time unti

Re: [WSG] Accessible News Scroller/Ticker and Footer issue in IE

Jaime W wrote: Does anyone know if there are any resources to accessible news scroller/ticker not written in JavaScript? I have been looking all over for one that is not done in JavaScript and it seems that JS and Flash are the common news scroller around. Put in the Flash/JS ticker, but incl

Re: [WSG] Accessible News Scroller/Ticker and Footer issue in IE

Jaime W wrote: Does anyone know if there are any resources to accessible news scroller/ticker not written in _javascript_? I have been looking all over for one that is not done in _javascript_ and it seems that JS and Flash are the common news scroller around. Have you tried

Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

Oi, I heard that. :-p Hill, Tim wrote: Yeah who's that Andy Budd guy anyway? *duck* Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on