RE: (313) LIFEWORKS (was VA Recorded In Rotterdam)
-Original Message- From: Remco Doorewaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 August 2006 10:40 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) LIFEWORKS (was VA Recorded In Rotterdam) Many thanks for the info, sound like a very nice album, just ordered me a copy! Lurking 313 sometimes really has it's advantages.. This is a really nice compilation, both for featuring some lesser known artists and for the quality of the tracks. There's one Jacen Solo track on it in particular that stands out for me, but it's solid throughout. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
Re: (313) LIFEWORKS (was VA Recorded In Rotterdam)
On 8/17/06, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a really nice compilation, both for featuring some lesser known artists and for the quality of the tracks. There's one Jacen Solo track on it in particular that stands out for me, but it's solid throughout. jacen solo in general is kinda the bomb. that dood's stuff seems like it should go over really well on this list. its definitely some of the most exceptionally good melodic techno ive heard in a while. tom
Re: (313) somwhere in detroit mix series question
the folder is named somewhere in detroit limited series mixed by B. Calloway (an the other one mixed by DJ Dex and S2). it has separate tracks (30 on Calloway's mix, and 17 on the one mixe by Dex and S2), so i guess it was ripped from a CD. anyway, thanks for the info. cheers On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Detroit Techno Militia wrote: There is only one SID mix CD on the Electrofunk Records label. I just ran down to the store to double check and that is, in fact the only one down there. http://www.discogs.com/release/67720 Perhaphs they are just saying the mix was recorded somewhere in detroit. On 8/17/06, Ivan Tomasevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, i know about the one done by DJ 3000, but are there other volumes of Somewhere In Detroit mix done by B. Calloway an DJ Dex and S2? On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.submerge.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=EF-2008-2Category_Code=mixes -- Original message -- From: Ivan Tomasevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] i've stumbled across somwhere in detroit mix series done by b. calloway and dj dex on soulseek, but i can't find more onfo on theese releases, so i was wondering if they really exist or is this some kind of joke. if they exist is it possible to buy them somwhere? -- -- --
(313) Digital Downloads
Alright peepz- a quick question for the more tech-savvy minded amongst you: How many people actually buy digital download music whether from more mainstream portals like I-tunes or more specialist ones like Bleep.com?? I've spoken to quite a few label owners (all of them from smaller independant labels) but nobody seems to be making much income from it- any thoughts on the the current, and future, state of the format? I can't actually imagine ever paying £1 for a track in a less than perfect format and albums seem pretty expensive when you compare them to a normal CD which has cover art etc- I'm not totally against the idea but it's not really doing it for me at the moment. What chall think? cheers Jason
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
I can see where you are coming from Jason but I do buy a lot of stuff from Beatport and Bleep mostly odd tracks from EPs and Albums where I don't like the full thing and while it may not appeal to heads I know teenagers who don't own a single piece of Vinyl or a CD but do own more than one hard drive with their collection on - I also buy stuff that you can't get on vinyl/cd - DMZ for example. I buy the odd pop track off iTunes but if you look at the charts for electronic music on iTunes you see that they haven't changed for months - Born Slippy has been in the top ten since they started - so that gives you a big clue about who buys there... As for the future, I think there's room for all formats and paying a couple of quid for a wav is a better format than vinyl ;) my 2 cents m On 18 Aug 2006, at 08:38, Jason Brunton wrote: Alright peepz- a quick question for the more tech-savvy minded amongst you: How many people actually buy digital download music whether from more mainstream portals like I-tunes or more specialist ones like Bleep.com?? I've spoken to quite a few label owners (all of them from smaller independant labels) but nobody seems to be making much income from it- any thoughts on the the current, and future, state of the format? I can't actually imagine ever paying £1 for a track in a less than perfect format and albums seem pretty expensive when you compare them to a normal CD which has cover art etc- I'm not totally against the idea but it's not really doing it for me at the moment. What chall think? cheers Jason
(313) OT: DRM
Does anyone have experience with Digital Rights Management, especially with encoding music for DRM? I really could use some advice on this issue. Hit me off list. Thanks in advance! John
RE: (313) Digital Downloads
Hello, I buy regularly from iTunes + Bleep.com. Something recent which I've bought from iTunes was the Audion LP. From Bleep, a track from the 'My Sol Dark Direction' LP. For me, it's usually about either sampling the wares before I buy it in a 'hard' format. I did go on to get the Audion LP on vinyl and I will do that with the Suburban Knight LP too. What I've heard from small label owners who either are involved in digital distribution or are contemplating it, is that it's a tricky market to get right. Major benefit: digital offers the benefit compared to vinyl or CD of tiny overheads - assuming you only need to either boost your infrastructure (i.e. increased server space/capacity, etc) or maybe you don't even have to upgrade your systems at all. But major downside: to make it profitable, you have to spend that much on marketing and advertising, that those savings can be cancelled out, and it's possible that such ventures end up not being worth it in the end - meaning that you might as well bite the bullet and go for a hard format in the first place, because digital isn't really a easier option. There is also the idea that with our kind of music in particular, there is a prestige value that goes with vinyl. Digital downloads do reek of 'cheap' no matter how good the quality. It's a consideration when a big 'capital' involved in independent label music is the value which buyers/peers/industry ascribes to the label: whether you want to call it 'cred', 'goodwill', 'quality' or whatever. Just some thoughts of others which I've picked up. I tend to agree but I'm not the best informed. Ken -Original Message- From: Jason Brunton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2006 08:38 To: 313 Subject: (313) Digital Downloads Alright peepz- a quick question for the more tech-savvy minded amongst you: How many people actually buy digital download music whether from more mainstream portals like I-tunes or more specialist ones like Bleep.com?? I've spoken to quite a few label owners (all of them from smaller independant labels) but nobody seems to be making much income from it- any thoughts on the the current, and future, state of the format? I can't actually imagine ever paying £1 for a track in a less than perfect format and albums seem pretty expensive when you compare them to a normal CD which has cover art etc- I'm not totally against the idea but it's not really doing it for me at the moment. What chall think? cheers Jason
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
There was an article about precisely this subject in the technology section of the Guardian yesterday. They've put it up here: http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1851309,00.html
RE: (313) Digital Downloads
Cool article. (I feel compelled to apologise for the shakiness of my writing back there: necessary haste, as ever.) K -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2006 10:06 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Digital Downloads There was an article about precisely this subject in the technology section of the Guardian yesterday. They've put it up here: http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1851309,00.html
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
How many people actually buy digital download music whether from more mainstream portals like I-tunes or more specialist ones like Bleep.com?? I've spoken to quite a few label owners (all of them from smaller independant labels) but nobody seems to be making much income from it- any thoughts on the the current, and future, state of the format? What chall think? Well, I had a free trial on eMusic recently which allowed me access to 100 free tunes (thanks for Mr. Dust for the tip off). That's pretty much all my experience of downloading. It has to be said though if I was paying I'd have to have full fat wavs (lossless will do too and maybe at a stretch 320K mp3) simply because you can definitely spot encoding artifacts in lower bitrates. That said I'm also of the generation that still values the physical object when I buy music (as Martin points out it's a generational thing, under 25s have no prob with files). I mostly DJ digitally too but I much prefer to buy vinyl and record my own wavs. Now I might not be representative of the target market for downloads of techno/house etc that you might be aiming at but I suspect I might be. There's also the issue of DRM or not. I was talking to a mate who releases his labels stuff digitally as well as on vinyl and he thinks that it's good to have no DRM and people spread the music around as, if they like it enough, they're a lot more likely to buy subsequent releases (so writes off any 'losses' as marketing). Ken's point is interesting though, if you're going to put something out and just break even and you can do that with either route (digital or vinyl) I think I'd much rather go the vinyl route still. robin...
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
There was an article about precisely this subject in the technology section of the Guardian yesterday. They've put it up here: http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1851309,00.html Interesting article. My previous reply was written before I read that. I wonder how much the free trials that eMusic give out have contributed to their figures? (Yes I know I'm veering off topic now.) robin...
(313) London TERRENCE PARKER- 9TH September
THE RUCK Featuring the legendary high-risk manoeuvres of DJ TERRENCE PARKER (TPMT Music, Chosen Few Records, Detroit) With further all-in turntable mayhem from the fearless Ruck residents... The Outlet Collective, Nick Wilson Lee Bolton Saturday 9th September 2006 @ Troy, 10 Hoxton Street, N1 - Tickets £8 adv/£10 on the door Available via [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 07967 332 964 The 'Fighting Talk' IT'S ON! ...Everything's confirmed and finally the legendary skills of one of the worlds truly unique DJs are set for a long awaited return to the UK; in the name of maximum dancefloor carnage, after a brief hiatus 'The Ruck' return to present the legendary DJ Terrence Parker. In equal measure walking in the wake of both HipHop Disco's extreme impact on the art of Djing, Terrence is a truly inspirational figure across the spectrum of modern dance music with a recording career stretching as far back as 1988. Currently releasing original productions via his own imprint, Chosen Few/TPMT, his much in demand studio wizardry has also graced such revered imprints as KMS, 430West Intangible and found him remixing artists as diverse as Random Noise Genration, Kenny Dixon Jnr., Hashim, Kanye West and most recently afro drummer-extroardinaire, Tony Allen for West London's very own Honest Jon's. TP's career has whole-heartedly glided between House Techno-Soul to HipHop, RnB Gospel and seen him widely recognised across the globe as one of the long-standing, key figures in Detroit House music and one the pioneers of Gospel House. This very reputation however has, maybe, in equal part been cemented thanks his awe-inspiring performances behind the turntables... A true decimator of dancefloors, TP developed his hyper-energetic fusion of house music and hiphop-style turntablism working on Detroit radio during the highly competitive, seminal era of mix-shows during the early to mid-80s. Since then he has continued to spread his gospel across the airwaves for much of the last 3 decades and as his globally syndicated weekly 'Inspirational House Mix Show' is testament, to this day DJ Terrence Parker is an experience not to be missed. Needless to say, your fearless Ruck residents will also be out in force to ensure things kick off all proper-like and on this occasion we'll be handing the reins to The Outlet Collective's Mark Eagle, who'll be lacing the party with his ever lethal injection of Funk, and Geordie bruiser, Lee Bolton who'll be dropping enough house, disco n whatever to make yer nose bleed... Now why would you possibly wanna miss all that Ruckus then, eh? www.terrenceparker.net www.ruck-edits.org (Coming soon) www.outletcollective.org [/b]
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
I think I've spent at least $150 at DDV. All of the tracks are available at 320 kbps, and a few as uncompressed WAV files. Unfortunately, the site is still kind of buggity, and the updated are infrequent, which keeps me from spreading the word outside of dedicated 313 circles. Still, I love being able to listen to this stuff without worrying about wearing my records out. I've spent a fair bit at bleep.com too. Always avoided i-tunes, because of the relatively low quality, and less than amazing royalty rates (from what I've gleaned). I'd rather support the little stores anyway. I think techno *needs* digital distribution now. There is a big audience out there that doesn't go to clubs and isn't even aware that vinyl still exists, but they love the music when they hear it. While they'll never be hardcore techno soldiers or join the 313 list, they're a valuable source of revenue and word-of-mouth. - bp
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
At this point I'm buying at least 40% of my music as digital files (beatport.com, ddv, dancetracksdigital.com, traxsource.com) Many times recently I've bought vinyl in the store for a ton of cash and then found the music online for less. Some of the tracks I've been waiting to show up in the store like Ame's remix of Roy Ayer's Tarzan have been online for weeks. This way I'm saving a few dollars for those releases I can only find on vinyl or classics discovered and undiscovered only available second hand. The wav files are usually a buck or two more expensive than the mp3s and I know I'll run out space really fast with all wavs so I go with 320 kpbs mp3s. Also I've found it saves me a lot of time to just buy a version of the track prepared for digital release instead of spending my time recording and re- recording the vinyl in order to get a good digital file that usually doesn't sound as good as the digital version I bought and already has tags so i can identify the info.
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
ive heard a lot of those 320 kbps from various sources and decided i wont ever spend a cent on mp3/ogg etc . none of the files sounded better than the 192s i made myself. if it's wav / cd-r sure ,ok. but those commercial mps3 are still sort of a joke. often hammered with some funny loudness maximizing limiters the traks lose at least 50% of its dynamics. (often turning into a punk-rock remix of a techno trak) honestly i'd rather get an illegal file and send 5 $ directly to the artist. sad thing is - 95% of stuff i got this year is by ..drexciya ;/ /12
(313) Nice Detroit reissues floating around
Just plugged these holes in my collection: Kenny Larkin - Metaphor Theo Parrish - Take Me All the Way Back Marsellus Pittman and Theo Parrish - Essential Selections Volume 1 Innerzone Orchestra - People Make The World Go Round (J88 remixes) Dave Angel - 3rd Voyage Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
(313) More Recognition
Y'all are prolly sick of my hyping up Recognition (Jacek Sienkiewicz' label), but I've done some more catching up and am suitably impressed. I never knew he was also DWA. The Jeden record from last year is the nuts. The B-side is the one, as usual, and this is one of his best judging by the clip. Totally wobbly, gorgeous melodies with a driving groove. The latest is Atom Heart's Repetetive Digital Noise, which is perhaps a bit more straight-forward, but also worth a go. The last track is the one. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
RE: (313) Digital Downloads
And that's a sad thing HOW? Sounds like a proper ratio to me. On a Detroit-not-techno-tip Dilla's new joint is the bomb. The shining. Sampleheads Checka. K mwnb -Original Message- From: v12 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:56 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Digital Downloads ive heard a lot of those 320 kbps from various sources and decided i wont ever spend a cent on mp3/ogg etc . none of the files sounded better than the 192s i made myself. if it's wav / cd-r sure ,ok. but those commercial mps3 are still sort of a joke. often hammered with some funny loudness maximizing limiters the traks lose at least 50% of its dynamics. (often turning into a punk-rock remix of a techno trak) honestly i'd rather get an illegal file and send 5 $ directly to the artist. sad thing is - 95% of stuff i got this year is by ..drexciya ;/ /12
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
the sad aspect of it is - ihavent discovered the music on time ,so to speak. besides, it was easy to track down the clone and tresor releases,or the abstract thought doublepack but i doubt the submerge/ur or warp stuff could be repressed any soon. and i wont be chasing second hand recs..just because some fu***r got himself 15 copies back in 1995/97.. - Original Message - From: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: v12 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: RE: (313) Digital Downloads And that's a sad thing HOW? Sounds like a proper ratio to me. On a Detroit-not-techno-tip Dilla's new joint is the bomb. The shining. Sampleheads Checka. K mwnb -Original Message- From: v12 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:56 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Digital Downloads ive heard a lot of those 320 kbps from various sources and decided i wont ever spend a cent on mp3/ogg etc . none of the files sounded better than the 192s i made myself. if it's wav / cd-r sure ,ok. but those commercial mps3 are still sort of a joke. often hammered with some funny loudness maximizing limiters the traks lose at least 50% of its dynamics. (often turning into a punk-rock remix of a techno trak) honestly i'd rather get an illegal file and send 5 $ directly to the artist. sad thing is - 95% of stuff i got this year is by ..drexciya ;/ /12
