RE: (313) new planet e
From: Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2006 23:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new planet e jeez, and i thought i was the only one who thought that way about his productions, although 'mystical rhythm' is a classic. and his track on planet delsin. I'm surprised how divisive his stuff seems to be. It's weird. speaking of planet e, can anyone tell me if the clark track 'jak to basics' that features on craig's dj-kicks is altered greatly from the original track on the lofthouse ep? It's on the Claude Young DJ Kicks as well for comparison. If you're trying to figure out if you need the album, you do, and in my mind 'Jak to Basics' and 'Lofthouse' aren't even close to the best tracks on there. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
Re: (313) new planet e
Martin Dust wrote: - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas D. Cox,Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:59 PM Subject: Re: (313) new planet e i have yet to hear a vince watson track that i like, but hopefully carl will pick some joints! i gotta agree therenot that i dislike them either, they just dont elicit much feeling at all from me..i think it could be grower kinda stuff for me, whereas stuff like ican is instant for me..ho well. Are you guys crazy? I'll sort some picks tomorrow. The Planet E stuff from Vince rocks, it should have come out on Transmat I believe... i'll really been digging his Black Dog remix on the comp. the strings crush me. -nick
(313) robert hood
Anyone know any links to Robert Hood sets - either dj or live. Also, any Hood websites? He seems to not exist on the web...
Re: (313) new planet e
you're all crazy!?!!?!?! opinions opinions :-)) hope you will change your opinion after the release of his new album 'The eMotion Sequence', later on this year on Delsin in the meanwhile also check his Innersense ep on FU.. or the last one on Delsin - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:53 AM Subject: Re: (313) new planet e On 8/21/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it all sounds a bit too smooth, conservative, and generic to me, honestly. it is nicely produced and nice deep sounds and all that -- just lacking personality and unique feeling to really get to me. thats about how i feel about vince watson's stuff. i feel that way about alot of melodic techno, not enough of it has teeth. of course there's also the melodic techno thats too dancefloor. its a hard combo to master, something thats good listening music and good dancefloor stuff as well tom
RE: (313) new planet e
Watson has always sounded a little too 313-by-numbers to me - way too derivative -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2006 22:16 To: J.T.; Thomas D. Cox,Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new planet e - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thomas D. Cox,Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:09 PM Subject: Re: (313) new planet e Are you guys crazy? I'll sort some picks tomorrow. The Planet E stuff from Vince rocks, it should have come out on Transmat I believe... it all sounds a bit too smooth, conservative, and generic to me, honestly. it is nicely produced and nice deep sounds and all that -- just lacking personality and unique feeling to really get to me. or something. i could imagine liking some of it over time, and that the planet e stuff could be exceptional. I can understand that, too much of this kind of stuff puts me off for months but Vince has released some joints that rock the floor and my Sunday afternoons... m # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) new planet e
Sorry Marsel- I'm with JT and Tom (!) on this one Jason On 22 Aug 2006, at 09:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're all crazy!?!!?!?! opinions opinions :-)) hope you will change your opinion after the release of his new album 'The eMotion Sequence', later on this year on Delsin in the meanwhile also check his Innersense ep on FU.. or the last one on Delsin - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:53 AM Subject: Re: (313) new planet e On 8/21/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it all sounds a bit too smooth, conservative, and generic to me, honestly. it is nicely produced and nice deep sounds and all that -- just lacking personality and unique feeling to really get to me. thats about how i feel about vince watson's stuff. i feel that way about alot of melodic techno, not enough of it has teeth. of course there's also the melodic techno thats too dancefloor. its a hard combo to master, something thats good listening music and good dancefloor stuff as well tom
Re: (313) new planet e
i feel that way about alot of melodic techno, not enough of it has teeth. of course there's also the melodic techno thats too dancefloor. its a hard combo to master, something thats good listening music and good dancefloor stuff as well tom I definitely agree with this, I love melodic techno but feel that the vast majority of stuff over the past few years has become way too smooth and polished - just because it's melodic doesn't mean it can't be raw and gritty as well. I much prefer music to be a bit rougher and with a good bite that all ultra-perfectly produced and squeaky clean. M.
Re: (313) new planet e
I definitely agree with this, I love melodic techno but feel that the vast majority of stuff over the past few years has become way too smooth and polished - just because it's melodic doesn't mean it can't be raw and gritty as well. I much prefer music to be a bit rougher and with a good bite that all ultra-perfectly produced and squeaky clean. Yeah I completely agree. I think as time has gone on it's got easier and easier to get that polished sound (cheaper equipment and better software). Which is not necessarily a good thing in my book. robin...
RE: (313) RE:(313) new planet e
Cambio is hot hot! I heard it in a recent DJ Dex mix and have been dying to know what it was. Can't wait for this one to get in the stores. Cheers! From:"Tristan Watkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:"'Thomas D. Cox, Jr.'" [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.orgSubject:(313) RE:(313) new planet eDate:Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:22:59 +0100 -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2006 18:09 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: SPAM-LOW: (313) new planet e On 8/21/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:ps the new Ican on planet e = hot!! sheesh, from the sound samples online, the B1 cut sounds like a classic in the making. ridiculous return to non-c2 artists on planet e! i cant wait to have the wax in handI could be wrong about this, but when I heard the clips from this stuff, 'AQuien' totally reminded me of what Los Hermanos played when they were atFabric with S2 recently. 'Cambio' definitely sounds nice as well.Tristan===http://www.phonopsia.co.uk[EMAIL PROTECTED]--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
Re: (313) new planet e
ah yes, this much more my cup of tea just bookmarked him, thanks marsel. i'm sure not feeling that ican release, sorry fab. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) new planet e for another upcoming planet e, check : http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofilefriendid=73482161 track 'full clip' and 'programmer' really deeply dig that 'full clip' track also an ep by vince watson is coming up on planet e though no tracks online yet - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:30 PM Subject: Re: (313) new planet e better yet, check the songs out in full and in better quality on myspace myspace to the rescue http://myspace.com/icanproductions -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 22/08/2006
Re: (313) robert hood
if you go to http://www.demf.com/ you can listen to hood's set from saturday main stage.. enjoy, fab. - Original Message - From: hbeaumont hbeaumont [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: (313) robert hood Anyone know any links to Robert Hood sets - either dj or live. Also, any Hood websites? He seems to not exist on the web... -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 22/08/2006
(313) John Beltran on Styrax
Hi ppl! Have you got Styrax 005 - John Beltran: Part 1 ? I can recoganise the 3 tracks (hearing the mp3 in the hardwax shop now), but I dont have his 12/LPs at hand now (moving home), so can not check whether the tracks where previoulsy released and if they are the same versions. Any other info on this release? Regards G -- Guilherme Menegon Arantes, PhD Sao Paulo, Brasil __
Re: (313) John Beltran on Styrax
Yo Gui, http://www.discogs.com/release/762619 This says that they're 3 tracks from Earth and Nightfall. I have no other info. robin... Guilherme Menegon Arantes wrote: Have you got Styrax 005 - John Beltran: Part 1 ? I can recoganise the 3 tracks (hearing the mp3 in the hardwax shop now), but I dont have his 12/LPs at hand now (moving home), so can not check whether the tracks where previoulsy released and if they are the same versions. Any other info on this release?
Re: (313) John Beltran on Styrax
this is a re-release of almost all tracks from his first album on RS check here http://www.clone.nl/item7528.html http://www.clone.nl/item7529.html - Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) John Beltran on Styrax Yo Gui, http://www.discogs.com/release/762619 This says that they're 3 tracks from Earth and Nightfall. I have no other info. robin... Guilherme Menegon Arantes wrote: Have you got Styrax 005 - John Beltran: Part 1 ? I can recoganise the 3 tracks (hearing the mp3 in the hardwax shop now), but I dont have his 12/LPs at hand now (moving home), so can not check whether the tracks where previoulsy released and if they are the same versions. Any other info on this release?
Re: (313) new planet e
According to his myspace page, this guy Martin Buttrich (a name almost as good as mine) is production partners with Tiesto on his album. Any chance of a Tiesto release on Planet e? :p I do agree those clips make for a solid release. Also, any one want to cite some examples of this recent wave of boring polished melodic techno that people are saying is not gritty enough? Are you all still talking about Vince Watson or just general trends in production? fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ah yes, this much more my cup of tea just bookmarked him, thanks marsel. i'm sure not feeling that ican release, sorry fab. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) new planet e for another upcoming planet e, check : http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=user.viewprofilefriendid=73482161 track 'full clip' and 'programmer' really deeply dig that 'full clip' track also an ep by vince watson is coming up on planet e though no tracks online yet - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:30 PM Subject: Re: (313) new planet e better yet, check the songs out in full and in better quality on myspace myspace to the rescue http://myspace.com/icanproductions -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 22/08/2006
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
yeah, it may well be a generational thing- my gut feeling is that vinyl will always have a cool factor that will appeal to people that will help things tick along for a good while yet- for our particualr music and where club gigs are concerned, I still haven't used anything that comes close to the experience of two vinyl decks and a mixer- in a situation like this I'm not particularly interested in endless choice of tracks that MP3 playback systems offer- I'm happy to ride the uncertaintly of having to play with what you've got to hand and make the best out of what I've got and also, for me, there IS a difference in sound quality between MP3, CD and viny. As for home listening there is no denying the attraction and convinience of the ipod and computer based music- I spent ages importing all of my my CD collection into I-tunes but my main computer isn't in my living room so I can only access this music through my ipod and scrolling through loads and loads and loads of artists/albums to find what I'm looking for is a bit of a pain- sometimes its just easier to bung an actual CD in the player and let it go! Very interested in everyones' opinions though and thanks very much for taking the time to let me know what you all think Jason On 18 Aug 2006, at 09:03, Martin Dust wrote: I can see where you are coming from Jason but I do buy a lot of stuff from Beatport and Bleep mostly odd tracks from EPs and Albums where I don't like the full thing and while it may not appeal to heads I know teenagers who don't own a single piece of Vinyl or a CD but do own more than one hard drive with their collection on - I also buy stuff that you can't get on vinyl/cd - DMZ for example. I buy the odd pop track off iTunes but if you look at the charts for electronic music on iTunes you see that they haven't changed for months - Born Slippy has been in the top ten since they started - so that gives you a big clue about who buys there... As for the future, I think there's room for all formats and paying a couple of quid for a wav is a better format than vinyl ;) my 2 cents m
Re: (313) robert hood
Thanks for the links all. Anybody know of any sites for him or his label? I've not been able to find anything. I was this close to a copy of the soundboard from demf... the real audio file is ok but I wish I could have got that soundboard. On 8/22/06, JSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ws90m3 Robert Hood @ Darkside Leeds 03-09-05
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
one thing not mentioned so far: hard disc failure! a hard disc failure in your head might lead to some failure of your external hard disc you use to store your music data! from my personal experience: when i upgraded to tiger on my ibook i had some trouble with photoshop which i thought back then resulted in some missing os9 partition on my hd. stupid and impatient as i am i had the idea to install this os9 part on my external 250 gd hd which left me with a non-accessable disk!!! after searching for help in all macuser forums i finally bought data rescue and disk warrior for about 100 $ us each... disk warrior helped me recover the files and now i have three quarters of the files with proper names like they used to be an one quarter named like: M01215.mp3, M01216.mp3, M01217.mp3... and whenever i have some spare time i spend it on putting the proper names to the files... still about 1.500 files to be checked... lucky enough i never sold the vinyls and cds - so in the end i'll suceed. got me some 2nd hd for backup in the meantime... you don't usually have those problems with vinyl! regarding the fact that not every one's as stupid as i am (lucky enough) this might be just a small aspect of the discussion. one last off topic remark: it's moodymann on the 7th, akufen on the 8th and a m-nus night on the 22nd of september over here - just in case you're planning some trip cheers roman/berlin Am 22.08.2006 um 20:43 schrieb Jason Brunton: yeah, it may well be a generational thing- my gut feeling is that vinyl will always have a cool factor that will appeal to people that will help things tick along for a good while yet- for our particualr music and where club gigs are concerned, I still haven't used anything that comes close to the experience of two vinyl decks and a mixer- in a situation like this I'm not particularly interested in endless choice of tracks that MP3 playback systems offer- I'm happy to ride the uncertaintly of having to play with what you've got to hand and make the best out of what I've got and also, for me, there IS a difference in sound quality between MP3, CD and viny. As for home listening there is no denying the attraction and convinience of the ipod and computer based music- I spent ages importing all of my my CD collection into I-tunes but my main computer isn't in my living room so I can only access this music through my ipod and scrolling through loads and loads and loads of artists/albums to find what I'm looking for is a bit of a pain- sometimes its just easier to bung an actual CD in the player and let it go! Very interested in everyones' opinions though and thanks very much for taking the time to let me know what you all think Jason On 18 Aug 2006, at 09:03, Martin Dust wrote: I can see where you are coming from Jason but I do buy a lot of stuff from Beatport and Bleep mostly odd tracks from EPs and Albums where I don't like the full thing and while it may not appeal to heads I know teenagers who don't own a single piece of Vinyl or a CD but do own more than one hard drive with their collection on - I also buy stuff that you can't get on vinyl/cd - DMZ for example. I buy the odd pop track off iTunes but if you look at the charts for electronic music on iTunes you see that they haven't changed for months - Born Slippy has been in the top ten since they started - so that gives you a big clue about who buys there... As for the future, I think there's room for all formats and paying a couple of quid for a wav is a better format than vinyl ;) my 2 cents m
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
I've only bought stuff on line from bleep. I don't have an iPod, and I won't ever buy a DRM-protected player. 99% of my digital music listening is at work, from my linux work computer. The reasons I buy on line 1. I can shop at work, and listen immediately. 2. Having something digitized already makes it easier to work with in Ableton or Traktor. 3. I can find stuff on line I can't locally. Everything I can buy locally I do, especially since I've been buying from the same couple of shops for going on 20 years, and I want them to stay in business. As for sound quality, you need better equipment and/or ears that haven't been to as many loud shows as I have to tell the difference between 320kbs MP3s and uncompressed 16 bit audio. When I make MP3s of my own stuff I'm going direct from 24bit masters, and as long as I stay with medium-to-high quality VBRs or 320kbs fixed rate MP3s, they sound the same. I still buy CDs and vinyl, but I'm pretty choosy -- I have an embarrassing amount of CDs and vinyl and I don't listen to even a fraction of what I own. I have to really want something in order to want to store it as a physical object. Ultimately, I think CDs and Vinyl will become even more marginalized, and downloadable formats will be the rule rather than the exception. CDs and Vinyl just don't have the information density modern listeners demand. The issue of artists getting paid for their music is an ongoing problem, back to cassette trading 30+ years ago. I don't think DRM is viable because if you can listen to it, you can defeat it. At some point, artists are just going to have to depend on goodwill and a sense of fair play from their fans in order for them to get paid. There's no way to lock music back into a physical artifact, the way that vinyl and CDs do, and enforcing laws against copying music just amounts to treating your customers like criminals, something that has never worked. And really, the RIAA and MPAA are taking things to a ridiculous extent. No one pays to hear music on the radio, and no one pays to read a book from the library. I've never spoken to an author who didn't want their books in libraries. Having some of your audience get your work for free is just part of the game, isn't it?
(313) Clover Festival, Traverse City MI this weekend
I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. Yes it is a Christian dance music festival and I know some would avoid this just for that reason. However, the talent listed is mighty impressive. Plus it's FREE. It is an official DEMF event. http://www.cloverfestival.com/ line-up is here http://www.cloverfestival.com/main/artistschedule.html weird thing is there's a number of Databass ghetto DJs on the line-up - since when was shake that @ss and back dat @ss up Christian? Should be interesting :-D MEK
(313) Metaphor repress quality
-Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2006 13:24 To: 'Guilherme Menegon Arantes'; 'Tristan Watkins' Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: Nice Detroit reissues floating around I don't have it to-hand just yet, but I'll let you know when it arrives. I'd expect it to be good, as the quality of the recordings on the original CD were brilliant, and the other RS represses have been good quality so far. So Guilherme, my copy is OK but I'd hesitate to say it was great. I very much doubt it's been remastered, but I don't think it was ever supposed to be. I should hedge my comments by pointing out that my cartridges probably need to be replaced, so I'm kind of abstracting how good I think it is relative to other new purchases. I've got some pops on 'Intro' that may or may not occur on all copies, and both Loop 1.5/Catatonic Part 2 sound a bit distorted on the kicks. All-told, it's very listenable/playable given that it's an LP with an emphasis on the 'L' (20+ minutes on two of the sides). I don't think that we could hope for much better given the limitations of vinyl when compressing this much music on to a couple of slabs. It's just those tracks I specifically mention above that sounds lik they could have been pressed or recorded better. Oh, and 'Butterfly' has a few audible pops when the hats drop out, but again, this could just be my copy. That's a bit of a shame since it's my favourite track on the album. :( Anyhow... I'm very happy to have it again. I never knew Loop 1.5 or Catatonic Part 2 existed, so that's been a nice surprise. It's one of those odd releases where the vinyl has more tracks than the CD. Maybe some day we can hope for a remastered 4x-pack where each track gets the loud cut it begs for. I'd gladly pay stupid money for that! And if for some reason it needs repeating, it's a masterpiece. Certainly one of the 10 best techno albums. Every track is solid. It holds together brilliantly as an album. It never tires. I can't believe I haven't heard it in 5 years and didn't replace it sooner. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 22/08/2006
Re: (313) Clover Festival, Traverse City MI this weekend
On 8/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. Yes it is a Christian dance music festival and I know some would avoid this just for that reason. However, the talent listed is mighty impressive. Plus it's FREE. It is an official DEMF event. http://www.cloverfestival.com/ line-up is here http://www.cloverfestival.com/main/artistschedule.html that lineup sh*ts on the DEMF lineup from this year. thats wack. tmo
