Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Alana Blue]

Not to add more fire to this discussion but what RA credits isn't even
correct. The image is not from RBMA.
Secondly, I don't consider RA real journalism. It's a blog for all intents
and purposes...this does not mean they shouldn't cite, credit, their
sources properly.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:44 AM Aidan O'Doherty 
wrote:

> It was DJ Moxie who provided the narration. White and English.
>
> On Thu 18 Oct 2018, 19:37 Shaun Fogarty,  wrote:
>
>> What a fantastic discussion. I am inspired to spin some Drexciya later
>> when I get to sit down.  Maybe I’ll try to think more deeply about the
>> context of the music.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Shaun (England)
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 19:28, David A. Powers  wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Stealing by RA is terrible. Remember that along with the fact of
>>> black innovators not getting credit, there is an even more common story of
>>> exploitation in the music industry: musicians and creators who get ripped
>>> off, whether it's theft by a manager, record labels stealing, or this
>>> current example. This kind of exploitation goes on all the time, and I do
>>> believe musicians, writers, and artists, need to work to take whatever
>>> steps they can to stop such theft. Let me tell you, I lived in the D, if
>>> someone steals from you there, they better be prepared to get their ass
>>> beat. I'm just saying...
>>>
>>> 2. It's racist to make assumptions about race and cultural background
>>> based on someone's accent.
>>>
>>> 3. All civilized societies to this day, use slave labor in some forms.
>>> In the global economy, slavery is simply pushed to the margins: slaves
>>> still work in mines to get stuff that goes into our high tech gadgets. As
>>> long as civilization uses slaves, there are going to be ideologies that
>>> justify the exploitation. US racism is rooted in the history of slavery,
>>> but also in the economic competition between north and south, and the fact
>>> that the industrialized north didn't need slave labor because it had found
>>> a more efficient way to exploit human labor.
>>>
>>> 4. The meaning of work, slavery, and exploitation is going to change in
>>> a society run by machines.
>>>
>>> And #4 is why Drexciya and techno are relevant--we live in a society of
>>> machines, and slave labor is embedded in the very machines we use to
>>> communicate with each other and to create techno music.
>>>
>>> Drexciya's music reflects the experience of the people who made it,
>>> including being black, growing up in Detroit, the history of US slavery and
>>> racism, etc. But SLAVERY is not a "black issue" it's a human issue, which
>>> is explored from a particular viewpoint rooted in a particular cultural
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Music is not ABOUT ideas. Music is a living experience that cannot be
>>> put into words.
>>> If it could be put into words, then the music would actually be
>>> redundant!
>>> If you want ideas, read a book.
>>> The experience of listening to a Drexciya record is totally different
>>> than talking about it.
>>> Nothing you could say about a Drexciya record, would exhaust the
>>> potential wealth of meanings and experience that the record contains.
>>> Art is open ended, that's what makes it art and not propaganda...
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 12:52 PM Steven Robertson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm all for positive discrimination. In order to achieve any sense of
 equality, it has to be done. It's the way to correct things.

 RA is a London-based website so far as I know. London is an
 international city whose residents are less racist than average. It seems
 that the most racist parts of the world are the parts with the least amount
 of diversity. This obviously because when you live and work with people
 from all over the world you see them as human beings. The narrator could be
 black, but from London.

 Not giving credit, clearly is unprofessional. The accent of the
 narrator, I don't think is a problem. I'd love to see and hear more talk of
 Detroit music from Detroiters, and for Drexciya specifically, well - an
 African accent could be perfect.

 I do wonder if race and racism entirely an artificial idea, that it is
 really down to a tribalism. It's something I think is often used to
 manipulate people in times of war (or conquest), and to sow division. Isn't
 race more a colonial idea, to justify the theft of land from its native
 people? These days we should know that we're all the same race, and that
 there are so many colours. Nobody is simply white or black. There is no
 black or white. Except, where positive discrimination is due.

 I'm lucky never to have experienced racial discrimination. I've rarely
 seen any racism, and certainly less as time goes by. However, things could
 change, but I'm thankful to live somewhere there is very little of this,
 with respect to people from many places. Things have been 

Re: 2016 Movement initial lineup with Kraftwerk/3D

[Alana Blue]

I think the ins and outs via VIP make it worthwhile as well...not having to
go through the GA entrance and such.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:21 AM, jwan allen  wrote:

> The bathrooms in the VIP areas as well as the lounging areas are quite
> impressive, so impressive I've realized I've been missing out all
> these years.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Lori Polemenakos 
> wrote:
> > Just booked our tickets, staying at the Motorcity. It's been a couple of
> > years and wow, stuff is booked up faster than ever -- anyone actually get
> > use out of the VIP tickets vs. regular weekend passes? We don't drink at
> the
> > festival, so they seem mostly worthless (unless there's a toilet option
> for
> > VIPs that isn't strictly extra porta-potties).
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Fred Heutte 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> or just ignore this for now and go see Servito at TV Lounge tomorrow.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phase 1 Lineup:
> >> Kraftwerk-3D
> >> Adam Beyer
> >> Âme-DJ SET
> >> Art Department
> >> Boys Noize
> >> Caribou
> >> Carl Craig
> >> Chris Liebing
> >> DJ Pierre
> >> Dubfire: Live Hybrid
> >> Eddie Fowlkes
> >> Four Tet
> >> Get Real: Green Velvet & Claude VonStroke
> >> Guy Gerber
> >> J.Phlip
> >> John Digweed
> >> Juan Atkins and Mortiz von Oswald Present: Borderland
> >> Justin Martin
> >> Kevin Saunderson
> >> Loco Dice
> >> Maceo Plex
> >> Magda
> >> Matador-LIVE
> >> MK (Marc Kinchen)
> >> Mic Fanciulli
> >> Nina Kraviz
> >> Richie Hawtin
> >> Seth Troxler
> >> Stacey Pullen
> >> Tale of Us
> >>
> >> Andrew Morant
> >> Anja Schneider
> >> Bruce Bailey
> >> Davide Squillace
> >> Delano Smith
> >> DeWalta & Shannon - LIVE
> >> DJ Tennis
> >> Ellen Allien
> >> Guti-Live
> >> Heidi
> >> Hito
> >> Honey Soundsystem
> >> Job Jobse
> >> Kyle Geiger
> >> La Fleur
> >> Lee Curtiss
> >> Marc Houle-LIVE
> >> Mike Huckaby
> >> Mister Joosha
> >> No Regular Play-LIVE
> >> Paul Woolford
> >> Project 313-LIVE
> >> Ryan Crosson
> >> Scuba
> >> Shaun Reeves
> >> Sonja Moonear
> >> The Black Madonna
> >> tINI
> >> Will Sessions feat. Amp Fiddler-LIVE
> >> Zip
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Technoir Audio
> http://www.technoiraudio.com
> "dealing with your imperfect world"
>

Re: Movement/DEMF 2014

[Alana Blue]

Hey There,
Long time lurker, but I thought I'd go ahead and post my recap of the
festival. It's not so much of a review, but a line by line capture of all
the things I did during the weekend with a few highlights captured below.

BTW, I've met quite a few of you over the years off this list. See below
for recap:)
Bonnie

Movement 2014 Recap and Highlights
May 28, 2014 at 3:59pm

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Sharing with my friends this very special experience

Hanging with the local and not so local friends and work mates who come to
this festival, an international reunion during the wknd


In order to the best of my recollection:

Synasthesia at HOA


Exodus Rooftop

Chuck Flask closing his set with Carl Craig's Like a Child

Surprise to me closing set by Hyperactive


Ghostly 15 Year

Osborne ***

Shigeto

Dancing to Matthew Dear at St. Andrews***


Festival Day 1 Highlights

Granny Techno

Benoit and Sergio

Anthony Shake Shakir

Metro Area

Chris Leibing

Underground Resistance, Mad Mike Banks, Timeline***


Soul Clap's Efunk

Eli playing with George Clinton***


Festival Day 2 Highlights

Jimmy Edgar

Seth Troxler

Zeitgeber (Speedy J and Lucy)

Function

John Digweed

Maceo Plex

Mike Huckaby***

Richie Hawtin

Rob Hood


Interface/Blank Code

Cell Injection***

Regis***

Sandwell District Reunion***


Festival Day 3 Highlights

Miguel Migs

DJ 3000

Hyperactive

Carl Craig*** showing us who's 'Behind the Wheel'

DTM x DJ Seoul x T. Linder

Kenny Larkin***

Jamie Jones

Adam X***

Kevin Saunderson with Baby Saunderson as Origins

Kevin Saunderson x Seth Troxler*** reminding us that even Good Life can
be improved and more perfect

Jeff Mills

Octave One


Closing Party

Finally celebrating with the Paxahau team





On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:23 AM, David Powers cybo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I find it interesting that the festival experience is at the point where
 two people can go and apparently not see any of the same acts! I tend to
 avoid the bigger stuff now, and more or less stick to smaller parties and
 events put on by friends, and at the festival (Sunday/Monday evening)
 basically found little reason to leave the Made in Detroit stage, where the
 sound was great and the crowd was really good. To be honest, I don't find
 much need to spend a huge amount of time at the fest or see every act,
 especially because spending quality time with friends is just as important
 as

 What was definitely confirmed for me this year, was that the younger
 generation: Andres, Norm Talley, Delano Smith, and Mike Huckaby, are
 definitely at the top of their game right now, all of them are really doing
 it for me!

 [Best Set]
 Norm Talley at Prelude

 [Highlights]
 Delano Smith @ Prelude, and Made in Detroit Stage
 Andres @ Made in Detroit Stage
 Mike Huckaby @ Made in Detroit Stage
 Alton Miller @ Motor City Wine
 San Soda @ Motor City Wine
 Kevin Saunderson b2b w/ Seth Troxler @ Made in Detroit Stage

 ALSO: Heard Scott Grooves played great at the Soul Clap party. In my
 opinion he is BY FAR the most under rated of Detroit producers, and it's my
 personal mission this year to help ensure he gets some of the recognition
 he deserves.

 ~David

 On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:59 AM, Fred Heutte ph...@sunlightdata.com
 wrote:

 Had a pretty good time overall, though I mostly stuck to the familiar
 (and didn't hear all that much of interest walking around).  My motto
 for the festival: Wherever you are, you're at the right place!

 The Fest
 ---

 [exceptional]
 Timeline
 Jeff Mills (especially the first 90 minutes)
 Terrence Dixon's live group  (huge surprise,
   though I hear they were even better at the Tangent)

 [real good]
 Monty Luke
 tINI
 BMG
 Dan Bell (Mr. Vocoder :)
 Delano
 Adam X

 [dishonorable]
 Cheese Wiz Tong


 The Parties
 --

 [exceptional]
 Carlos Souffront and Patrick Russell, 2+ hours of unplanned, inspired,
   over the top mayhem on 2 f#@ked turntables and 2cds @ No Way Back

 [real good]
 Jerry Abstract and then Jeedo/Ray (live) @ Synaesthesia/Red Bull
 Stacy Hotwaxx Hale @ Mix
 Dwele and the band @ Soul Skate pt 2, Magic Stick

 [wish I went]
 GU, Terrence Dixon, Recloose @ Tangent

 [worst party name]
 Get Thoughtless

 [lines even more than too long]
 St Andrew's


 speaking of No Way Back,a couple of those in previous years were
 at the Bohemian National Home.  Joel Peterson, who managed shows
 there until 2008, and Rebecca Mazzei of MOCAD are now running
 Trinosophes, a new cafe that opened a year ago at 1464 Gratiot (same
 block as Transmat) which hosted a small party with UR DJs on Saturday.  An
 interesting new community space with eclectic music/etc performances
 and this wonderful gizmo:

 http://trinosophes.com/MENTAL-MACHINE

Re: (313) roll call?

[Alana Blue]

Newish - been here since 2007 before my first trip to the festival.
Been on various lists since the 90s and watched most of them die due to
lack of relevancy.  Still find the the signal to noise ratio on this one
surprisingly good.
Generally lurking but have reached out to various people off list for
various reasons.
I am from Los Angeles for those who are curious.
Bonnie


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:03 AM, benny blanco® be...@blancodisco.comwrote:

 The DubStep Holodeck Forums are where are the kidz are hangin' out these
 days.

 Hangin out since mid '90s or so at least, if not earlier.

 benny blanco®
 blancodisco.com



 On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Mike Taylor disconihil...@gmail.comwrote:

 Nothing signifies middle age quite like participating in a Hyperreal
 electronic music mailing list.

 It's been a minute since 1996, hasn't it?

 m