Re: Detroit Free Press looking to speak to victims

[Mister Jones]

Don't blame Denise. I overreacted to something that really had nothing to
do with me.

Again, I apologize to everyone on the list for blowing it way out of
proportion.

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 7:35 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Congrats Denise!
>
> You singlehandedly ruined this whole fucking group with your arrogant and
> abrasive bullshit.
>
> All that education and you truly SUCK at communicating.  Miserable
> pathetic person.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 7:12 PM Robert Suárez 
> wrote:
>
>> S A M E !
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 7:09 PM Monica Lesher 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> SAM
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 22:08 Lerato Khathi <
>>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> somebdy pls help me unsubscribe from this group .
>>>> i'd forgotten how to do it .
>>>> pls need to get out of here asap .
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 at 10:47, Mister Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I know what gaslighting is and that's clearly not what's going on
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll quit with this whole topic. I saw what was written and it set me
>>>>> off. My apologies to you, Denise, for responding the way I did and to the
>>>>> list for even engaging in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Been listening to a bunch of Boiler Room sets lately. Kenny Larkin,
>>>>> Octave One, and the like.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:30 PM Denise Dalphond <
>>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever heard of gaslighting? You’re free to join the #MeToo movement. I
>>>>>> don’t care about yr background. And I don’t care about yr feelings. I 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> techno music, though. A lot. I heard a techno song on Ann Arbor radio 
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> the other day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Denise
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 6:24 PM Mister Jones <
>>>>>> misterjones...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True, you did say that, but you said much more and it's the rest of
>>>>>>> what you wrote that I take issue with. Men and boys would likely talk 
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> if we received the same encouragement and support women did, but we
>>>>>>> don't... At all. We're made fun of when we speak on what's happened. Our
>>>>>>> harassment claims are never taken seriously when it's a woman we're
>>>>>>> complaining about. A man filing a report against a female rapist is 
>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>> to be laughed out of the station (this isn't speculation, it's 
>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>> to have happened). So we keep it to ourselves and tough it out because,
>>>>>>> like male victims of domestic abuse, there's zero support for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it really brave when you have the support of a whole community
>>>>>>> standing behind you to come forward? Or is it brave when you stand up 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> do it completely alone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:52 PM Denise Dalphond <
>>>>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I said most children have been molested by at least one family
>>>>>>>> member. Gender neutral. I’m well aware that females molest and abuse
>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Men should talk about it more. But it’s scary. Which leads me to
>>>>>>>> remember how brave women are. Because we talk about that stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:15 PM Mister Jones <
>>>>>>>> misterjones...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So... I've been in therapy since mid-August dealing with a range
>>>>>>>>> of issues and at their core was the fact that I had been molested as a
>>>>>>>>> child, not by a family member, not by the Ca

Re: Detroit Free Press looking to speak to victims

[Mister Jones]

Yes, I know what gaslighting is and that's clearly not what's going on here.

I'll quit with this whole topic. I saw what was written and it set me off.
My apologies to you, Denise, for responding the way I did and to the list
for even engaging in it.

Been listening to a bunch of Boiler Room sets lately. Kenny Larkin, Octave
One, and the like.

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:30 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Ever heard of gaslighting? You’re free to join the #MeToo movement. I
> don’t care about yr background. And I don’t care about yr feelings. I like
> techno music, though. A lot. I heard a techno song on Ann Arbor radio just
> the other day.
>
> Denise
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 6:24 PM Mister Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> True, you did say that, but you said much more and it's the rest of what
>> you wrote that I take issue with. Men and boys would likely talk more if we
>> received the same encouragement and support women did, but we don't... At
>> all. We're made fun of when we speak on what's happened. Our harassment
>> claims are never taken seriously when it's a woman we're complaining about.
>> A man filing a report against a female rapist is likely to be laughed out
>> of the station (this isn't speculation, it's documented to have happened).
>> So we keep it to ourselves and tough it out because, like male victims of
>> domestic abuse, there's zero support for us.
>>
>> Is it really brave when you have the support of a whole community
>> standing behind you to come forward? Or is it brave when you stand up and
>> do it completely alone?
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:52 PM Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I said most children have been molested by at least one family member.
>>> Gender neutral. I’m well aware that females molest and abuse people.
>>>
>>> Men should talk about it more. But it’s scary. Which leads me to
>>> remember how brave women are. Because we talk about that stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:15 PM Mister Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So... I've been in therapy since mid-August dealing with a range of
>>>> issues and at their core was the fact that I had been molested as a child,
>>>> not by a family member, not by the Catholic priest I served under for three
>>>> years as an altar boy, but by two older girls, one female and one male
>>>> classmate, and as a teenager sexually accosted by grown women in my
>>>> neighborhood in Detroit. This shit reared it's head this late in life (I'm
>>>> just a few years short of 50) bringing nothing but chaos. It has destroyed
>>>> my marriage, wrecked my relationship with my kids, got me in trouble with
>>>> the law, and brought me to the absolute brink. It's so bad that I'll likely
>>>> have to pack up my things and moving back to Michigan without my kids,
>>>> where I'll end up living with my mother and stepfather... At this age.
>>>>
>>>> Denise, this is nothing against you... I've been on this list in one
>>>> form or another for over 20 years and always have thought highly of you...
>>>> But these days every time I see a woman talking about rape this and that,
>>>> as if it's just a female-centric issue, I'm reminded that guys like myself
>>>> are told to suck it up and shut up... and I get royally pissed. Women in
>>>> general and society at large is pretty dismissive when it's a male victim
>>>> of a female but "OMG!!! The horror!!! Something must be done! Teach boys
>>>> not to rape!!!" when it's a female victim of a male. We're told that we
>>>> should be happy that such things have happened to us when a girl or grown
>>>> woman comes at us like that and that if it's a boy your age, well... "you
>>>> should have just kicked his ass". I've had to sit in silence for decades,
>>>> telling no one about it until it basically destroyed my life. My mother was
>>>> devastated when I finally told her, my sisters were in shock especially
>>>> since one of the older girls was from a family extremely close to us (their
>>>> mother is godmother to two of my younger sisters), my wife was pissed
>>>> because I never told her and she had often said I occasionally acted like
>>>> someone that had been molested; something I always denied. Everyone asked
>>>> "why didn't you ever say something?" not realizing that when you're only 7
>>>> years old you really don't know how to process something like this, and in
>&g

Re: Detroit Free Press looking to speak to victims

[Mister Jones]

True, you did say that, but you said much more and it's the rest of what
you wrote that I take issue with. Men and boys would likely talk more if we
received the same encouragement and support women did, but we don't... At
all. We're made fun of when we speak on what's happened. Our harassment
claims are never taken seriously when it's a woman we're complaining about.
A man filing a report against a female rapist is likely to be laughed out
of the station (this isn't speculation, it's documented to have happened).
So we keep it to ourselves and tough it out because, like male victims of
domestic abuse, there's zero support for us.

Is it really brave when you have the support of a whole community standing
behind you to come forward? Or is it brave when you stand up and do it
completely alone?

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:52 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I said most children have been molested by at least one family member.
> Gender neutral. I’m well aware that females molest and abuse people.
>
> Men should talk about it more. But it’s scary. Which leads me to remember
> how brave women are. Because we talk about that stuff.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:15 PM Mister Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> So... I've been in therapy since mid-August dealing with a range of
>> issues and at their core was the fact that I had been molested as a child,
>> not by a family member, not by the Catholic priest I served under for three
>> years as an altar boy, but by two older girls, one female and one male
>> classmate, and as a teenager sexually accosted by grown women in my
>> neighborhood in Detroit. This shit reared it's head this late in life (I'm
>> just a few years short of 50) bringing nothing but chaos. It has destroyed
>> my marriage, wrecked my relationship with my kids, got me in trouble with
>> the law, and brought me to the absolute brink. It's so bad that I'll likely
>> have to pack up my things and moving back to Michigan without my kids,
>> where I'll end up living with my mother and stepfather... At this age.
>>
>> Denise, this is nothing against you... I've been on this list in one form
>> or another for over 20 years and always have thought highly of you... But
>> these days every time I see a woman talking about rape this and that, as if
>> it's just a female-centric issue, I'm reminded that guys like myself are
>> told to suck it up and shut up... and I get royally pissed. Women in
>> general and society at large is pretty dismissive when it's a male victim
>> of a female but "OMG!!! The horror!!! Something must be done! Teach boys
>> not to rape!!!" when it's a female victim of a male. We're told that we
>> should be happy that such things have happened to us when a girl or grown
>> woman comes at us like that and that if it's a boy your age, well... "you
>> should have just kicked his ass". I've had to sit in silence for decades,
>> telling no one about it until it basically destroyed my life. My mother was
>> devastated when I finally told her, my sisters were in shock especially
>> since one of the older girls was from a family extremely close to us (their
>> mother is godmother to two of my younger sisters), my wife was pissed
>> because I never told her and she had often said I occasionally acted like
>> someone that had been molested; something I always denied. Everyone asked
>> "why didn't you ever say something?" not realizing that when you're only 7
>> years old you really don't know how to process something like this, and in
>> a society back then in the late 70's where this kind of stuff was viewed as
>> "coming of age" or "just a part of growing up" what was I really supposed
>> to say?
>>
>> Denise, to answer your question I'll ask another: What happens when
>> you're a woman and sexually assault or harass a boy or a man?
>>
>> I'll answer it for you: Usually nothing.
>>
>> The world continues to turn. Maybe it makes the news if you're a
>> celebrity, law maker, or some other type of high profile person but you
>> don't worry; it blows over within a few days because nobody cares. You'll
>> continue to get attached to movies as a director and actor (just don't
>> forget to send your victim his hush money first). You'll probably keep your
>> seat in congress or your position as CEO but even if you do step down
>> nobody looks upon you as a lecherous sexual deviant; somehow you're viewed
>> as the victim. If you're a well known professor you might get suspended but
>> you go back to work when it blows over. If you're one of the few that do
>> get arrested, you get a slap on the wrist and very rarely ever have to
>>

Re: Detroit Free Press looking to speak to victims

[Mister Jones]

So... I've been in therapy since mid-August dealing with a range of issues
and at their core was the fact that I had been molested as a child, not by
a family member, not by the Catholic priest I served under for three years
as an altar boy, but by two older girls, one female and one male classmate,
and as a teenager sexually accosted by grown women in my neighborhood in
Detroit. This shit reared it's head this late in life (I'm just a few years
short of 50) bringing nothing but chaos. It has destroyed my marriage,
wrecked my relationship with my kids, got me in trouble with the law, and
brought me to the absolute brink. It's so bad that I'll likely have to pack
up my things and moving back to Michigan without my kids, where I'll end up
living with my mother and stepfather... At this age.

Denise, this is nothing against you... I've been on this list in one form
or another for over 20 years and always have thought highly of you... But
these days every time I see a woman talking about rape this and that, as if
it's just a female-centric issue, I'm reminded that guys like myself are
told to suck it up and shut up... and I get royally pissed. Women in
general and society at large is pretty dismissive when it's a male victim
of a female but "OMG!!! The horror!!! Something must be done! Teach boys
not to rape!!!" when it's a female victim of a male. We're told that we
should be happy that such things have happened to us when a girl or grown
woman comes at us like that and that if it's a boy your age, well... "you
should have just kicked his ass". I've had to sit in silence for decades,
telling no one about it until it basically destroyed my life. My mother was
devastated when I finally told her, my sisters were in shock especially
since one of the older girls was from a family extremely close to us (their
mother is godmother to two of my younger sisters), my wife was pissed
because I never told her and she had often said I occasionally acted like
someone that had been molested; something I always denied. Everyone asked
"why didn't you ever say something?" not realizing that when you're only 7
years old you really don't know how to process something like this, and in
a society back then in the late 70's where this kind of stuff was viewed as
"coming of age" or "just a part of growing up" what was I really supposed
to say?

Denise, to answer your question I'll ask another: What happens when you're
a woman and sexually assault or harass a boy or a man?

I'll answer it for you: Usually nothing.

The world continues to turn. Maybe it makes the news if you're a celebrity,
law maker, or some other type of high profile person but you don't worry;
it blows over within a few days because nobody cares. You'll continue to
get attached to movies as a director and actor (just don't forget to send
your victim his hush money first). You'll probably keep your seat in
congress or your position as CEO but even if you do step down nobody looks
upon you as a lecherous sexual deviant; somehow you're viewed as the
victim. If you're a well known professor you might get suspended but you go
back to work when it blows over. If you're one of the few that do get
arrested, you get a slap on the wrist and very rarely ever have to register
as a sex offender.

While I get where the sarcasm comes from, Denise, I just want you to
understand that there are victims of this kind of thing that aren't female
and perps that are female. Guys like me... we're out here, we just rarely
ever talk about it. Typically we're too busy sucking it up to complain.

Sorry about the rant y'all.

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 6:03 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> What happens when you sexually assault women? You get to be the US
> President. Or you get to stay being R Kelly makin all that money. It’s very
> common. As a school teacher, it seems that most children in the US are
> being molested and abused by at least one family member. That’s what I see.
> So it’s a part of our human fabric and almost no one cares. You’re all high
> fiving each other every time you hear a new story of a woman gettin hurt.
> So sorry for growing you. What were we thinking.
>
> I like Derrick May’s haircut right now.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 4:57 AM Andrew Duke 
> wrote:
>
>> [Posted by Michael James on FB last night]: If you are a victim of rape
>> or sexual assault at the hands of Derrick May anywhere in the world, please
>> call Tresa Baldas at The Detroit Free Press at 1-313-378-7070. She needs to
>> hear your story. Even if you wish to remain anonymous, she needs to hear
>> from you. All who have reached out to me, here is a chance to stop this
>> from happening to future victims.
>>
>> Derrick May must be unveiled independent of my actions so that there can
>> be no doubt as to the veracity of these claims I have made against him.
>> Please do your part. She is a member of the mainstream media and she will
>> protect your privacy.
>>
>> - MJ
>>
> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> 

Re: Movement night 31st Jan Pistons VS Raptors - Carl Craig at 1/2 time

[Mister Jones]

I saw it on FB earlier and meant to shoot an email about it but forgot.

... as long as those "models" don' show up it's all good.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:22 PM Danielle Scott  wrote:

> Road trip!
>
> #wethenorth
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 10:17 PM Chris Wallis, 
> wrote:
>
>> Just saw this from the movement fest instagram feed. Looks like Pistons
>> and Movement are doing a night promoting the festival with Carl Craig
>> performing at half at Little Caesars Arena.
>>
>> Just interested in this cross over. Gonna be hell interesting to hear
>> stories what happens on the night. Any Pistons season ticket holders on the
>> mailing list?
>>
>> Chris Wallis
>> Melbourne - Australia
>>
>

Re: Cybotron + Pepsi

[Mister Jones]

Juan and company were up for a Grammy because Missy Elliott sampled "Clear"
for "Lose Control".

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 11:00 AM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Making me wanna break dance again
>
> https://youtu.be/U64A-8Qzx2Y
>
>

Re: Cybotron vs Louis Vuitton

[Mister Jones]

This is just too dope. It's a good mix of different renditions of both
Cybotron and Model 500 music.

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:04 AM Patrick Wacher  wrote:

>
> https://www.factmag.com/2020/01/17/cybotron-live-louis-vuitton-fashion-week/
>
> ⌘⌥P
>

Re: carl craig present paperclip people

[Mister Jones]

I'd like to think he still is...

Weed is legal in Michigan now, chances are someone in his camp was probably
smoking a little Kryptochronicunalight...

"t... ft... Ayo Carl...
ft... 'b'member that one video from back inna day???
t... The one with the dude singin, and he had the models in
the background lie they the band???
ft...
you should do that in your live set... but like, make it some extra outer
space 29th century Detroit pimp stuff...
ffft... I'm tellin you it'll be live
dawg... They'll remember you for that set 20 years from now dawg... I'm
tellin you..."

and here we are...

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:07 PM Mike Taylor  wrote:

> I'm going to put on some 69, BFC, Psyche, and Paperclip People and fondly
> remember the good old days when he was one of the best to ever do it.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 3:10 PM Mel N  wrote:
>
>> Dear gawd it was so bad I had to post
>>
>> Is that really him?!
>>
>> So embarrassed for him
>>
>> Sound is terrible too, instead of “live” he could have been checking his
>> emails...
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 05:34, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> Wish there was a vid of the party we helped throw in LA on NYE 1994/95
>>> called Plantasia with C2 live as 69.
>>>
>>> His sound check was better than Moby’s whole set :-)
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:21 AM Mister Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carl looks like a Detroit pimp in winter in that video. Ski goggles,
>>>> full length fur coat... Prolly got on some Now and Later Gators on and a
>>>> belt to match too.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 AM Mario De Block 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You could still see the act here.
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxEFlbnjgzQ=25s
>>>>>
>>>>> It remains quite bizarre to me too. Irony is ok, but overdoing vox fx
>>>>> and other technical inadequacies just needlessly damages the music imo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mario
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Van:* kent williams 
>>>>> *Verzonden:* maandag 13 januari 2020 17:58
>>>>> *Aan:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
>>>>> *Onderwerp:* Re: carl craig present paperclip people
>>>>>
>>>>> That video link is broken. Is it the one of him playing with a fake
>>>>> backup band of models meant to imitate the Robert Palmer "Addicted To 
>>>>> Love"
>>>>> music video?
>>>>>
>>>>> That was wack. Especially because instead of hiring models to
>>>>> unconvincingly fake playing, there are many real women who can actually
>>>>> play that would add something meaningful to his live set.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:29 PM dubloop  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i dunno if this was posted here before, probably..
>>>>>
>>>>> but this Carl Craig live PA is rather entertaining :
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/VZfb5DwnvBI
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/VZfb5DwnvBI?fbclid=IwAR12tOxEax753c__ehFLxEf_VAyUSygbGXR116AfPVOU2FKXc1LnATGvdFo>
>>>>>
>>>>> what do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: record stores in Detroit

[Mister Jones]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Buy-Rite-Music/163609133667347

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Mister Jones 
wrote:

> This is the old Buy Rite Music over on 7 mile a block or two west of
> Livernois. I used to go there weekly starting the summer of 1990 (when I
> learned to spin). Lotta radio DJ's and Detroit artists would stop in there
> all the time back then. I had looked them up by the old name some time ago
> and found out it was closed, but from what I've read it's the same people
> that ran Buy Rite for all those years, just under a new name.
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:45 AM John Sokolowski 
> wrote:
>
>> Came across this recently: https://detroitmusiccenter.com/
>>
>> Not sure if it is an actual store or someone just selling their
>> collection. Some really good stuff listed, regardless.
>> <https://detroitmusiccenter.com/>
>> Detroit Music Center | Vinyl Records | The Largest Vinyl Store In Detroit
>> <https://detroitmusiccenter.com/>
>> Detroit Music Center The Leader In Underground Music Since 1980. We carry
>> new and used vinyl records from your favorite underground artists.
>> detroitmusiccenter.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Denise Dalphond 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2020 7:14 AM
>> *To:* dubloop 
>> *Cc:* 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: record stores in Detroit
>>
>> Threads
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 7:10 AM dubloop  wrote:
>>
>> hello!
>>
>> where in Detroit can you order Detroit techno & house records?
>>
>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>

Re: record stores in Detroit

[Mister Jones]

This is the old Buy Rite Music over on 7 mile a block or two west of
Livernois. I used to go there weekly starting the summer of 1990 (when I
learned to spin). Lotta radio DJ's and Detroit artists would stop in there
all the time back then. I had looked them up by the old name some time ago
and found out it was closed, but from what I've read it's the same people
that ran Buy Rite for all those years, just under a new name.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:45 AM John Sokolowski 
wrote:

> Came across this recently: https://detroitmusiccenter.com/
>
> Not sure if it is an actual store or someone just selling their
> collection. Some really good stuff listed, regardless.
> 
> Detroit Music Center | Vinyl Records | The Largest Vinyl Store In Detroit
> 
> Detroit Music Center The Leader In Underground Music Since 1980. We carry
> new and used vinyl records from your favorite underground artists.
> detroitmusiccenter.com
>
>
> --
> *From:* Denise Dalphond 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2020 7:14 AM
> *To:* dubloop 
> *Cc:* 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Subject:* Re: record stores in Detroit
>
> Threads
>
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 7:10 AM dubloop  wrote:
>
> hello!
>
> where in Detroit can you order Detroit techno & house records?
>
> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: carl craig present paperclip people

[Mister Jones]

Carl looks like a Detroit pimp in winter in that video. Ski goggles, full
length fur coat... Prolly got on some Now and Later Gators on and a belt to
match too.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 AM Mario De Block  wrote:

> You could still see the act here.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxEFlbnjgzQ=25s
>
> It remains quite bizarre to me too. Irony is ok, but overdoing vox fx and
> other technical inadequacies just needlessly damages the music imo.
>
> Mario
> --
> *Van:* kent williams 
> *Verzonden:* maandag 13 januari 2020 17:58
> *Aan:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: carl craig present paperclip people
>
> That video link is broken. Is it the one of him playing with a fake backup
> band of models meant to imitate the Robert Palmer "Addicted To Love" music
> video?
>
> That was wack. Especially because instead of hiring models to
> unconvincingly fake playing, there are many real women who can actually
> play that would add something meaningful to his live set.
>
> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:29 PM dubloop  wrote:
>
> i dunno if this was posted here before, probably..
>
> but this Carl Craig live PA is rather entertaining :
>
> https://youtu.be/VZfb5DwnvBI
> 
>
> what do you think?
>
>

Re: #Drexciya

[Mister Jones]

Shots fired?

https://i.imgur.com/aP0qrIP.gif

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 2:48 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> What did you say?
>
> Ann Coulter?
>
> I didn’t know she was on this list.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:07 AM <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>
>> Yet. Let's see more black kids swimming the 100m and take it from there..
>>
>> C
>>
>> > On 2019-11-16 15:01, Andrew Duke wrote:
>> >> Seems like 99% of what gets tagged "#Drexciya" on IG is not even
>> remotely close to even electro or Detroit. :(
>> >> On Sat., Nov. 16, 2019, 4:59 a.m. , <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>> >>> https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=%23drexciya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: HAAi

[Mister Jones]

"It's on THE apple music"

We have become our parents.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 4:26 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Oh my bad, February.
> https://thevinylfactory.com/news/haai-ep-systems-up-windows-down-mute-vinyl/
>
> It's on the apple music, however, and every song is good.
>
> Raves were a time where you could listen to techno and house music in a
> giant space with the awesomest sound, and sit in a massage circle, with
> Power Rangers, and lasers. I mean, that's if you were on ecstasy. I did
> ecstasy one time, and nothing happened, and I never wanted to spend the the
> $25+ again. But it was also a wonderful place where you could do acid. Sure
> bad things happen at raves, but bad things happen everywhere. That's why
> there's self-defense classes and mace 4 yr keychain and martial arts, etc.
> I learned about the best number one music at raves.
>
>
> Denise
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 7:18 PM John Sokolowski 
> wrote:
>
>> So what is the name of this HAAi record? Looked for it but didn’t see any
>> release from November.
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:54 PM, Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Talk about whatever you want, David Powers. Your email reads like you're
>> the police. Of techno. Weird. It seems kind of entitled. Please talk about
>> whatever you want, but definitely drop the expectation that people have to
>> obey your opinions.
>>
>> I love techno so much. There's so many ways to do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 5:13 AM David A. Powers 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> First off, I didn't come up with the idea that techno has something to
>>> do with the future, Juan Atkins and then UR came up with these ideas, which
>>> means they have ALWAYS been part of techno. According to the UR manifesto 
>>> "Techno
>>> is a music based in experimentation; it is music for the future of the
>>> human race." -- Underground Resistance did. See
>>> http://www.undergroundresistance.com/
>>>
>>> Underground Resistance is a label for a movement. A movement that wants
 change by sonic revolution. We urge you to join the resistance and *help
 us combat the mediocre audio and visual programming that is being fed to
 the inhabitants of Earth, this programming is stagnating the minds of the
 people*; building a wall between races and preventing world peace. It
 is this wall we are going to smash. By using the untapped energy potential
 of sound we are going to destroy this wall much the same as certain
 frequencies shatter glass. *Techno is a music based in
 experimentation; it is music for the future of the human race.*
 Without this music there will be no peace, no love, no vision. By simply
 communicating through sound, techno has brought people of all different
 nationalities together under one roof to enjoy themselves. Isn‘t it obvious
 that music and dance are the keys to the universe? So called primitive
 animals and tribal humans have known this for thousands of years! We urge
 all brothers and sisters of the underground to create and transmit their
 tones and frequencies no matter how so called primitive their equipment may
 be. Transmit these tones and wreak havoc on the programmers!”
>>>
>>>
>>> Second, raves were often not great--drug overdoses, sexual assault,
>>> cops beating the shit out of people, promoters narking on each other
>>> shutting down each others' parties, promoters throwing parties mostly to
>>> sell drugs. I'm not discounting the positive aspects to say that the rave
>>> scene had a terrible dark side, which is part of why they were able to shut
>>> it down as the US morphed into a full police state following 9/11. (Btw,
>>> keep in mind that Joe Biden was a big supporter of using crackhouse laws to
>>> shut down raves.)
>>>
>>> Third, I understand dance music and having fun. I just DJed for six
>>> hours at a work xmas party. I know how to make people dance.
>>>
>>> But this is NOT a "RAVE DANCE MUSIC" list, it's a DETROIT TECHNO list,
>>> and one of the things that sets Detroit techno apart is that it includes
>>> ambient music and other sounds that are not meant for dancing, a typical
>>> example is Robert Hood "The Exodus". Somehow the idea of "Detroit
>>> techno" as something different and special seems to be lost. Maybe you
>>> don't like my idea of Detroit Techno--I challenge you to come up with your
>>> own vision!
>>>
>>> Nobody is preventing anyone from enjoying nostalgic house, but I'd like
>>> to talk about MUSIC BASED IN EXPERIMENTATION, music that could help us
>>> create a better FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE.
>>>
>>> The human race might go extinct. If techno could help create the hope
>>> and vision to work for a better world, than that would be better than
>>> dancing until the world ends. Does 

Re: HAAi

[Mister Jones]

https://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Eating-Popcorn-Soda.gif

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 8:09 AM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:

> Your response is as stuffy and psuedo academic as I expected it to be.
>
> Thanks for the'history lesson' of a movement and scene that I have been a
> participant in for the last 32 years or so
>
> Oddly enough,  you should know that the 313 list not only has members who
> understand the history of the music-but also has members who are living and
> breathing testament to the power of that work.
>
> It's hard for me to not be offended in some way but I also understand
> that my condescension is being met with a 'thorough explanation' of your
> point.
>
> WE ARE IN THE FUTURE RIGHT NOW.
>
> NONE of the messages put forth in the music have been listened to by the
> masses... sadly UR only got a few of us to 'not allow ourselves to be
> programmed.'
>
> Since it's Xmas day today and I am going to celebrate with my family, I'm
> going to ask you this question (I don't even want to see your answer, just
> ponder when you can):
>
> Is peace, harmony and joy achievable?
>
> Consider that your reply to Demise set off a contentious discussion with
> each of us refusing to back down from their perch, that idea of peace
> through intelligence seems shaky.
>
> Have a great holiday.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 5:13 AM David A. Powers  wrote:
>
>> First off, I didn't come up with the idea that techno has something to do
>> with the future, Juan Atkins and then UR came up with these ideas, which
>> means they have ALWAYS been part of techno. According to the UR manifesto 
>> "Techno
>> is a music based in experimentation; it is music for the future of the
>> human race." -- Underground Resistance did. See
>> http://www.undergroundresistance.com/
>>
>> Underground Resistance is a label for a movement. A movement that wants
>>> change by sonic revolution. We urge you to join the resistance and *help
>>> us combat the mediocre audio and visual programming that is being fed to
>>> the inhabitants of Earth, this programming is stagnating the minds of the
>>> people*; building a wall between races and preventing world peace. It
>>> is this wall we are going to smash. By using the untapped energy potential
>>> of sound we are going to destroy this wall much the same as certain
>>> frequencies shatter glass. *Techno is a music based in experimentation;
>>> it is music for the future of the human race.* Without this music there
>>> will be no peace, no love, no vision. By simply communicating through
>>> sound, techno has brought people of all different nationalities together
>>> under one roof to enjoy themselves. Isn‘t it obvious that music and dance
>>> are the keys to the universe? So called primitive animals and tribal humans
>>> have known this for thousands of years! We urge all brothers and sisters of
>>> the underground to create and transmit their tones and frequencies no
>>> matter how so called primitive their equipment may be. Transmit these tones
>>> and wreak havoc on the programmers!”
>>
>>
>> Second, raves were often not great--drug overdoses, sexual assault, cops
>> beating the shit out of people, promoters narking on each other shutting
>> down each others' parties, promoters throwing parties mostly to sell drugs.
>> I'm not discounting the positive aspects to say that the rave scene had a
>> terrible dark side, which is part of why they were able to shut it down as
>> the US morphed into a full police state following 9/11. (Btw, keep in mind
>> that Joe Biden was a big supporter of using crackhouse laws to shut down
>> raves.)
>>
>> Third, I understand dance music and having fun. I just DJed for six
>> hours at a work xmas party. I know how to make people dance.
>>
>> But this is NOT a "RAVE DANCE MUSIC" list, it's a DETROIT TECHNO list,
>> and one of the things that sets Detroit techno apart is that it includes
>> ambient music and other sounds that are not meant for dancing, a typical
>> example is Robert Hood "The Exodus". Somehow the idea of "Detroit
>> techno" as something different and special seems to be lost. Maybe you
>> don't like my idea of Detroit Techno--I challenge you to come up with your
>> own vision!
>>
>> Nobody is preventing anyone from enjoying nostalgic house, but I'd like
>> to talk about MUSIC BASED IN EXPERIMENTATION, music that could help us
>> create a better FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE.
>>
>> The human race might go extinct. If techno could help create the hope and
>> vision to work for a better world, than that would be better than dancing
>> until the world ends. Does everyone just believe shit is so hopeless that
>> there is no choice but to get as fucked up as possibility and blast that
>> rave music as the planet slowly poisons itself and commits suicide.
>>
>> Why has everyone given up on the possibility that art--including "Detroit
>> techno"--could help inspire us to create a better world? Were the
>> innovators who created techno WRONG?!
>>

Re: HAAi

[Mister Jones]

Well said Kevin.

I have a tendency to listen to older Detroit Techno because it puts my mind
in a place where I remember having fun and really enjoying the music. I
remember my first trip to a DJ pool with Charles Henderson in '91, everyone
sitting around this room full of records in a guy's house and  giving every
single record 10 seconds to make us believe in it before the guy running it
put it back on the stack. I still have the three records I copped that day:
St Etienne's "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" 12" with the MAW dub, Chris
Cuevas' "Hip Hop" 12" with the MAW dub (their first remix, if memory serves
me), and Ce Ce Pennison's 12"  for "Finally". I used to love stopping by
Buy-Rite on 7 mile on Tuesdays for the longest. I remember my first gigs
around Detroit playing out in '91 with Rob Brown, Charles Henderson, and a
number of other guys at U of D, Introvest, and several other spaces on the
west side all the way up to my last time spinning in SE Michigan on Crush
Collision, Oct 11th 2001.

The music still brings me back to those places, and for that reason, I keep
listening. Sometimes you really just need a break from all the crap going
on around you, Detroit Techno, minimal, electro/technobass, and ghettotech
does it for me.

What's funny is that I've been bouncing around an idea for an EP centered
around that whole 90's vibe for maybe the last 10 years. I think I might
finally stop procrastinating and just do it. Maybe... Tomorrow for sure...

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 11:54 PM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:

> Denise:  First of all, thanks for sharing work you think is
> noteworthy...going to have to give it a listen when I can.
>
> David:  Last I checked, we're still in virtually the same spot that we
> were in the dawn of techno...as the saying goes "the names and faces have
> changed, but the game is still the same."  However, one of the fine things
> missing from many human beings doing the writing, listening and performing
> of this music that somehow unifies us all on a giant Venn Diagram
> is...ENJOYMENT.
>
> As much as I wish to give the entire group of under-30 somethings a
> 'history lesson' and shake my fist about how things used to be (a la "they
> didn't even let us play in nightclubs!!!  We had to play in warehouses and
> inhale asbestos!!!  AND WE LIKED IT!!!"), the prevailing winds dictate that
> this revolutionary music that we were on the ground floor for now has a
> history.  We're part of that, and as Shake Shakir put it bluntly:  "Those
> who know, know.  Those who don't, don't care."
>
> With all the problems in the world today, some people are just looking for
> an escape, and a way to remind themselves of times where they had FUN
> (anyone remember FUN? I do...vaguely).  Honestly-I wish I could escape from
> this crazy place...
>
> It troubles me to think that many of us have truly lost sight of the
> enjoyment and the freedom that comes from dancing.  Of course, politics has
> its place in everything...strip it away for moments at a time and learn to
> enjoy right now.
>
> We ARE the future we planned.  We didn't plan as well as we should have.
>
> Happy holidays to everyone,
>
> FBK
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 2:08 AM DJ Shiva  wrote:
>
>> I surely love anyone who wants to dictate what techno should or shouldn't
>> be. I guess we all forgot our dour faces and dire music poses. **fart
>> noise**
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 12:28 AM David A. Powers  wrote:
>>
>>> Techno should aim for a utopian future not wallow in nostalgia for a
>>> moment in time characterized by late capitalist exploitation and extreme
>>> global inequality.
>>>
>>> ~d
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 11:20 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Has anyone else been listening to HAAi? Her latest ep from November is
 amazingness. Every song. I would dance to it. It makes me feel like I’m at
 a rave in the late nineties in Chicago or New York.

 Denise Dalphond
 --
 Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 ethnomusicologist
 schoolcraftwax.work

>>>
>
> --
> FBK
>
> Absoloop/Orange 82
>

Re: Possibly best Drexciya meme ever, and my own interest in participation

[Mister Jones]

I find that if I've been listening to a lot of one artist, when I sit down
to make my own music I inadvertently start sounding like that artist. It's
not intentional or anything, it just happens that way.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 11:27 AM Steven Robertson  wrote:

> On Facebook
>
> https://www.facebook.com/DarkScienceElectro/photos/a.1890014504355836/2102999539723997/
>
> Must admit that I'm guilty of doing something the same, though my track
> titled Deep Sea Dweller shared with this list around 5 years (or more) ago
> was perhaps ahead of the current wave of copy-cats. I wasn't copying
> directly. I'm not that good at sound engineering. I do try to make my own
> music anyway, and take inspiration from many sources, primarily my own
> experiences. I'd really like to make electro music inspired by the
> Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, but again, the idea of some-one else. My
> thoughts were more to try make electro that doesn't take itself too
> seriously.
>
> Boards of Canada have an album titled Music Has The Right To Children. I
> do see that this is potentially controversial on this list, but art will
> always have its imitators and people who are participants. Many people who
> like a kind of music will wish to take part, and so it goes.
>
> I'm fascinated by Detroit techno & electro, though I do think that while
> Drexciya is an incredible source of inspiration that it's sad the way that
> they are being recycled so desperately. I have recently done a mix for
> Tec-Troit that doesn't feature a single Drexciya track, yet it still
> strongly features the sound in the music of others. I have also included a
> lot of what I find inspiring, and a thread of music over 37 years that
> included Kraftwerk, Cybotron, Dynamix II, Aux 88 and more. No music exists
> in a vacuum. Aux 88 are back in the studio, and I keenly await new work,
> from which I will surely feel inspired too.
>
> Taking inspiration from such a wholesome source, I don't feel guilty
> about, but I do worry more now I don't have a good grasp of the cultural
> differences. I think some of us fans can be misunderstood. Still, I don't
> think that should kill our interest in the music and participating, but I
> do wonder what approach - or none at all, is appropriate. After all,
> spinning tunes or making tracks, we're all participants. We're not trying
> to steal culture, but some music is just better than others. It's a matter
> of taste.
>

Re: Fat Circles Radio Archive up

[Mister Jones]

Yeah, I went ahead and uploaded the rest of it, so all of 2003 and 2004
until the last show is up there as well and ready to listen to.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:49 AM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> That's a lot of archives :-)
>
> Many thanks
>
> C
>
>
> On 2018-01-29 02:08, Mister Jones wrote:
>
>> https://archive.org/details/fatcirclesradio
>>
>> I've uploaded the entirety of Fat Circles Radio's 2002 shows to
>> Archive.org. If anyone (Chris Layne...) has any contact with Keto,
>> please let him know that this is up. I'll continue uploading as time
>> permits. I still have 2003, 2004, the Raygun release, and Keto's music
>> to go as well.
>>
>> Plenty of 313 content to satisfy anyone of us plus some other damned
>> good music to chill out and listen to.
>>
>> mister:jones
>>
>
>

Fat Circles Radio Archive up

[Mister Jones]

https://archive.org/details/fatcirclesradio

I've uploaded the entirety of Fat Circles Radio's 2002 shows to
Archive.org. If anyone (Chris Layne...) has any contact with Keto, please
let him know that this is up. I'll continue uploading as time permits. I
still have 2003, 2004, the Raygun release, and Keto's music to go as well.

Plenty of 313 content to satisfy anyone of us plus some other damned good
music to chill out and listen to.

mister:jones

Re: Suggestions for uploading an entire archive of mix shows

[Mister Jones]

Ok, sweet. I'll get it going this weekend.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:36 AM, David Gillies <dave.gill...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'd suggest archive.org: https://archive.org/create/
>
> On 23 January 2018 at 11:24, Mister Jones <misterjones...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Some years ago I downloaded the entire 2002-2004 run of Fat Circles
>> Radio's mixes and, IIRC, urged the list to do the same as it appeared that
>> the site was on it's last legs. It's since shut down and lately I've been
>> thinking that I should upload those mixes somewhere along with Keto's 4
>> tracks and "Difference Engine" by Raygun (all of which was available on the
>> old Fat Circles Radio website). The problem is the entire archive is 8.2GB
>> in size. Anyone have any suggestions where I can put this stuff? There's a
>> good amount of 313 material on these mixes plus a number of those shows had
>> 313 member Christopher Layne behind the decks as a guest DJ.
>>
>
>

Suggestions for uploading an entire archive of mix shows

[Mister Jones]

Some years ago I downloaded the entire 2002-2004 run of Fat Circles Radio's
mixes and, IIRC, urged the list to do the same as it appeared that the site
was on it's last legs. It's since shut down and lately I've been thinking
that I should upload those mixes somewhere along with Keto's 4 tracks and
"Difference Engine" by Raygun (all of which was available on the old Fat
Circles Radio website). The problem is the entire archive is 8.2GB in size.
Anyone have any suggestions where I can put this stuff? There's a good
amount of 313 material on these mixes plus a number of those shows had 313
member Christopher Layne behind the decks as a guest DJ.

Re: 20-year service pin

[Mister Jones]

Good grief... I can't remember if I signed up in 98, 99, or 2000. I found
Hyperreal in '97 but can't remember when I discovered the mailing lists.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Patrick Wacher  wrote:

> Nice!
>
> I remember getting the dox matrix continuous printer paper mail order
> catalogs from Submariner. Man, I would pour over that thing like crazy.
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>
>
> 1997 for me. Will have to dig out the fax I sent to Submerge for my first
> order from them. How time flies!!
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 19 Dec 2017, at 8:01 am, Patrick Wacher  wrote:
>
> 1995 for me, going back to some of those old emails was a blast!
>
>
>
> Sent from Astro  for Mac
>
> On Dec 17, 2017 at 1:28 PM, ACID  wrote:
>
>
> I think i got onto it late..and with a different email so i cant check
>
> Was on v-rave before 313 though.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 17 Dec 2017, at 20:17, Fred Heutte  wrote:
>
> Greg! good to see ya!
>
> 1995 here also. Got on a few months before the Metroplex 10th anniversary
> party which was my first intro to many 313ers.
>
> Although it's not new (2005 I think), been playing Abe Duque/Blake Baxter
> "What Happened" a lot this year . . .
>
> fh
>
> -
>
> From: majord...@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Majordomo results: subscr!be
> Date: November 6, 1997 at 4:14 AM
> To: [Me]
>
>
> Just realized I recently passed my 20th anniversary on this list.
>
> (And I remember hearing about it a couple of years beforehand, but hey -
> I was lazy.)
>
> Shout-outs to the other old-timers!
>
> - Greg
>
> P.S. Re:
>
> 2017
> Vatican Shadow ‎– Luxor Necropolitics
> The Exaltics ‎– Das Heise Experiment 2 [The Prequel]
> ASC - Sentinel
> [...]
>
>
> No lists for me this year but I just wanted to say that James/ASC is a
> genius.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: 313 music in the oddest of places.

[Mister Jones]

Don't forget Streets of Rage 3! That whole soundtrack sounds like UR,
Mills, and The Advent sat in the studio and tried to see who could "out
hard" one another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9fNkGMuwS4

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Brian Prince <balis...@bprince.com> wrote:

> Yo Logic7, good to hear from you again.
>
>
>
> Nice find! Yeah, a lot of the Japanese game composers in the early 90’s
> were listening to records from Detroit and Chicago. Another great example
> is the Streets of Rage 2 soundtrack from 1992 by Yuzo Kishiro:
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/_62PVfghXtc
>
>
>
> (I dubbed the whole soundtrack from that game to tape so I could listen to
> it on my Walkman on the school bus)
>
>
>
> Hearing that stuff when I was 12 and 13 primed me for the Tresor
> compilations I started picking up when I was 14 and 15.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Brian Prince
>
> brianprince.bandcamp.com
>
> bprince.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Mister Jones <misterjones...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, December 15, 2017 11:22 PM
> *To: *313@hyperreal.org
> *Subject: *313 music in the oddest of places.
>
>
>
> Hey y'all... it's the member formerly known as Logic7
>
>
> I've been on an old video game kick, particularly old vertical shooters
> like Twin Cobra, Raiden, and the many bullet hell shooters from companies
> like Cave. While getting my fix I ran across a game called Battle Garegga
> by Raizing/Eighting. I'm playing for the first time a couple of nights ago
> in all of it's early bullet hell goodness when I get through the first
> level. The second level starts and the music changes and a melody of of
> stab chords starts playing... And I recognize it almost immediately. I
> played for less than a minute more and had to figure this out 'cause it
> sounded like a direct rip of something I've heard before. I paused MAME and
> hit Youtube for old Mills and UR, and I find the track: Jupiter Jazz by
> Underground Resistance.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQv3dCkY2Tk
>
> More Google-fu turns up the music from Battle Garegga; a double-CD
> composed by Manabu Namiki, released last December. Among the track listing
> was the name of the track for the second level of the game: Underwater
> Rampart (an obvious nod to UR)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbINBnYeFA
>
> ^^^ That's the original version from the arcade game. The game wold be
> released for the Sega Saturn with a re-recorded version with different
> instruments instead of the Yamaha YM2151 4-op, 8 part FM chip used in the
> arcade game's system board (as well as the Yamaha DX100). With the
> composer's name, I ran across an interview with him where he states this:
>
> http://squareenixmusic.com/features/interviews/manabunamiki.shtml
>
> "... I held a great admiration for techno music, and I had a good deal of
> respect for the Detroit techno artists in particular: Derrick May,
> Underground Resistance, and Carl Craig. The main programmer of *Battle
> Garegga* was also a fan of their music. Inspired by their music, I almost
> felt that I had something of a mission to take that energy and breathe life
> into the game's music.
>
> *Battle Garegga* used FM synth and ADPCM synth for its hardware. This
> equipment was obsolete compared to the standards of other arcade games in
> 1995, so I needed to make full use of it to design the sound for this
> radical new shooting game. I made use of all the skill I had accumulated
> with this hardware at NMK, and I also studied Hitoshi Sakimoto's use of FM
> synth carefully.
>
> The sound of *Battle Garegga* was influenced by my friends at Raizing, by
> Detroit techno, by *Summer Carnival '92 Recca*, by FM and ADPCM (YM2151
> and MSM6295), and by the game music of Hitoshi Sakimoto and Shinji Hosoe,
> all of these people and things I respect..."
>
> Since he's also done music for Cave (creators of my favorite bullet hell
> shooters), I'm now on a mission to find anything else he's slipped into his
> games that have a very Detroit-inspired sound.
>
>
>

Re: Frank likes some Drexciya

[Mister Jones]

Very nice, and it's "Andreaen Sand Dunes" too, pretty much my favorite
track by Drexciya.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:53 PM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> And decrease the youtube video speed to 0.75.
>
> Nice tip :-)
>
> C
>
> On 2017-12-14 16:38, Patrick Wacher wrote:
>
>> I watched the video on mute with Deepchord - The Coldest Season
>> playing, did the trick ;)
>>
>> Sent from Astro [2] for Mac
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, 3...@coke-smyth.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, on the subject of music videos...
>>>
>>> https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap171214.html
>>>
>>> Would have preferred a Mitch Walcott soundttrack though myself ;-)
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>> On 2017-12-12 19:57, Denise Dalphond wrote:
>>> hell yeah.
>>>
>>> drexciya is the first mention, too. i love seeing detroit music on
>>> stage like this more and more.
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>> DENISE DALPHOND, PH.D.
>>>
>>
>

313 music in the oddest of places.

[Mister Jones]

Hey y'all... it's the member formerly known as Logic7

I've been on an old video game kick, particularly old vertical shooters
like Twin Cobra, Raiden, and the many bullet hell shooters from companies
like Cave. While getting my fix I ran across a game called Battle Garegga
by Raizing/Eighting. I'm playing for the first time a couple of nights ago
in all of it's early bullet hell goodness when I get through the first
level. The second level starts and the music changes and a melody of of
stab chords starts playing... And I recognize it almost immediately. I
played for less than a minute more and had to figure this out 'cause it
sounded like a direct rip of something I've heard before. I paused MAME and
hit Youtube for old Mills and UR, and I find the track: Jupiter Jazz by
Underground Resistance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQv3dCkY2Tk

More Google-fu turns up the music from Battle Garegga; a double-CD composed
by Manabu Namiki, released last December. Among the track listing was the
name of the track for the second level of the game: Underwater Rampart (an
obvious nod to UR)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbINBnYeFA

^^^ That's the original version from the arcade game. The game wold be
released for the Sega Saturn with a re-recorded version with different
instruments instead of the Yamaha YM2151 4-op, 8 part FM chip used in the
arcade game's system board (as well as the Yamaha DX100). With the
composer's name, I ran across an interview with him where he states this:

http://squareenixmusic.com/features/interviews/manabunamiki.shtml

"... I held a great admiration for techno music, and I had a good deal of
respect for the Detroit techno artists in particular: Derrick May,
Underground Resistance, and Carl Craig. The main programmer of *Battle
Garegga* was also a fan of their music. Inspired by their music, I almost
felt that I had something of a mission to take that energy and breathe life
into the game's music.

*Battle Garegga* used FM synth and ADPCM synth for its hardware. This
equipment was obsolete compared to the standards of other arcade games in
1995, so I needed to make full use of it to design the sound for this
radical new shooting game. I made use of all the skill I had accumulated
with this hardware at NMK, and I also studied Hitoshi Sakimoto's use of FM
synth carefully.

The sound of *Battle Garegga* was influenced by my friends at Raizing, by
Detroit techno, by *Summer Carnival '92 Recca*, by FM and ADPCM (YM2151 and
MSM6295), and by the game music of Hitoshi Sakimoto and Shinji Hosoe, all
of these people and things I respect..."

Since he's also done music for Cave (creators of my favorite bullet hell
shooters), I'm now on a mission to find anything else he's slipped into his
games that have a very Detroit-inspired sound.