RE: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
I'm really into this idea. Something we could do together as an online community - which hasn't happened for a while. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:cpe1704...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:42 PM To: kent williams Cc: Christiaan Macdonald; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know I think this is a fantastic idea. How could we handle voting/compiling? On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: I think that is a capital idea. Since Beatport is riddled with current and former 313 subscribers, I bet they'd put it on their blog. A chance to educate all those kids with their cracked copies of Traktor out there... On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Christiaan Macdonaldchristi...@rushhour.nl wrote: maybe 313 list should submit a techno top20 (or top50) to beatport based on the lists of all 313 members. On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:11 PM, kent williams wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. Christiaan Macdonald Label Manager Rush Hour Recordings Nieuwezijds Voorburgwal 130-b 1012 SH Amsterdam The Netherlands -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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On 9 Sep 2009, at 08:41, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I'm really into this idea. Something we could do together as an online community - which hasn't happened for a while. I'd been interested and could probably see the list breaking into different charts, Founding Classic, First Wave etc m
Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
I kind of agree. SOL has always been a bit of a misnomer for me as it was all about The Dance where I was at the time. SOL came popular later but never held the same kudos as The Dance. 2009/9/8 kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com: I think the Beatportal list reflects an idea of techno as strictly having the 4 to the floor beat. A lot of the early tracks had more of an Electro beat. I have a friend in Seattle who was an old school raver, was (and is) a good techno producer, and he'd didn't know Strings Of Life and dismissed it as a big room hands in the air house anthem. You can't assume everyone agrees about even what techno is, at this point. And while Detroit techno fans think of their definition is the one true techno, you will have a hard time convincing people that it is, in fact, the real techno. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Lori Drapergirly...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed, No UFOs or at least Cybotron's Techno City should be on this. WTF. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote: While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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Good revive Klaas that going back a bit. This and Armchair DJ. 2009/9/8 Klaas-Jan Jongsma grand...@mac.com: Ah found it! Long live archives, here are the results from waayy back (damn twoplayer, almost forgot all about that): -Original Message- From: marsel [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:00 PM To: nort-tedra.net; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] all time 313 tops | detroit fives | first results | 2001.07.31 one hundred and nine top fives entered five hundred and forty three songs counted | songs top fifteen 18 - carl craig - at les (buzz/planet e) 15 - rhythim is rhythim - icon (buzz/transmat) 13 - 69 - desire (infonet/planet e) 12 - rhythim is rhythim - it is what it is (transmat) 12 - underground resistance - journey of the dragon (ur) 11 - model 500 - night drive (metroplex) 11 - model 500 - no ufo's (metroplex) 10 - underground resistance - hi tech jazz (ur) 09 - underground resistance - jupiter jazz (ur) 08 - r tyme - r theme (transmat) 07 - underground resistance - final frontier (ur) 07 - rhythim is rhythim - strings of life(transmat) 06 - infiniti - game one (metroplex) 06 - underground resistance - illuminator(ur) 06 - kenny larkin - tedra (warp) labels top fifteen 85 - underground resistance 80 - transmat 48 - planet e 46 - metroplex 36 - buzz 20 - kms 16 - rs 15 - axis 14 - red planet 13 - incognito 11 - warp 10 - 430 west 10 - tresor 08 - express 08 - fragile producers top fifteen 80 - carl craig 79 - juan atkins 65 - underground resistance 64 - derrick may 21 - kevin saunderson 20 - drexciya 18 - kenny larkin 15 - jeff mills 14 - robert hood 14 - 'red planet' 11 - burden brothers 10 - james pennington 09 - blake baxter 09 - anthony shakir 07 - rolando carl craig top six 17 - at les 13 - desire 03 - from beyond 03 - ladies gentlemen 02 - [ten different tracks] 01 - [twenty four different tracks] more to come http://www.twoplayer.org/ http://www.forcefield.org/ thank you all for your contribution! transmission on http://nortroute.net soon On 8 sep 2009, at 22:20, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: On 8 sep 2009, at 20:11, kent williams wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Oh hating beatport, now come on Kent, give me a real challenge ;-) I dont think my personal views on beatport will pass the 313 language filters ;-) We used to have a 313 top X online at the old forcefield.org website... hello you in here Marsel? ;-) KJ
Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
How do we get started? List titles? Ideas For Lists? Putting Kent in charge? ;) m
(313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list.
Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
I think that is a capital idea. Since Beatport is riddled with current and former 313 subscribers, I bet they'd put it on their blog. A chance to educate all those kids with their cracked copies of Traktor out there... On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Christiaan Macdonaldchristi...@rushhour.nl wrote: maybe 313 list should submit a techno top20 (or top50) to beatport based on the lists of all 313 members. On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:11 PM, kent williams wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. Christiaan Macdonald Label Manager Rush Hour Recordings Nieuwezijds Voorburgwal 130-b 1012 SH Amsterdam The Netherlands
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I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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Strings of Life was bigger than many of those tracks combined, even in Europe. --Original Message-- From: Frank Glazer To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know Sent: Sep 8, 2009 10:37 PM I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20_real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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I think this is a fantastic idea. How could we handle voting/compiling? On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: I think that is a capital idea. Since Beatport is riddled with current and former 313 subscribers, I bet they'd put it on their blog. A chance to educate all those kids with their cracked copies of Traktor out there... On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Christiaan Macdonaldchristi...@rushhour.nl wrote: maybe 313 list should submit a techno top20 (or top50) to beatport based on the lists of all 313 members. On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:11 PM, kent williams wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. Christiaan Macdonald Label Manager Rush Hour Recordings Nieuwezijds Voorburgwal 130-b 1012 SH Amsterdam The Netherlands -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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Agreed, No UFOs or at least Cybotron's Techno City should be on this. WTF. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote: While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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The problem is Beatport doesn't have the latter and their download of the former sounds like crap! I don't know why Juan gave them poor vinyl rips when there's that Tresor double-CD comp. J Lori Draper wrote: Agreed, No UFOs or at least Cybotron's Techno City should be on this. WTF. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote: While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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You're exactly right Lori. I mean even if the idea was to list stuff that isn't already widely known (and it appears to have been; do note the exclusion of Jaguar, or Strings, or Bells, or Good Life) at least pick SOMETHING by Juan, Kevin, or Derrick! JEESH. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Lori Drapergirly...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed, No UFOs or at least Cybotron's Techno City should be on this. WTF. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote: While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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I think the populace would be better served with a list of 20 tracks you missed! I'll cite an example to prove my point. Jeff Mills - Kat Moda EP - everyone with a pulse would tell you that the bells is best cut on this record. In fact it isn't. Skip over the hit and drop Kat Race, as I've done much more often than the bells and watch the dance floor go off. Do we need a hundred more lists with strings of life on it? NO. jw On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote: While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com dealing with your imperfect world
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Jacob makes a very good point. Whatever list we come up with it's useless unless they sell the mp3, isn't it? On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Jacob Arnoldja...@gridface.com wrote: The problem is Beatport doesn't have the latter and their download of the former sounds like crap! I don't know why Juan gave them poor vinyl rips when there's that Tresor double-CD comp. J Lori Draper wrote: Agreed, No UFOs or at least Cybotron's Techno City should be on this. WTF. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote: While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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I think the Beatportal list reflects an idea of techno as strictly having the 4 to the floor beat. A lot of the early tracks had more of an Electro beat. I have a friend in Seattle who was an old school raver, was (and is) a good techno producer, and he'd didn't know Strings Of Life and dismissed it as a big room hands in the air house anthem. You can't assume everyone agrees about even what techno is, at this point. And while Detroit techno fans think of their definition is the one true techno, you will have a hard time convincing people that it is, in fact, the real techno. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Lori Drapergirly...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed, No UFOs or at least Cybotron's Techno City should be on this. WTF. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote: While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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we do not claim to come even close with this list. then why bother? then again, it's not a top 20 list - as in the best examples of the field just a list of tunes they think every techno fan should know imo, I don't see, even with their explanation, why it's essential to know Damon Wild's 2112 or Richie Hawtin's Minus/Orange 1 it seems to be a list that hints at hey, if you're going to go see Richie Hawtin dj you better know these tunes MEK kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 09/08/2009 01:11:51 PM: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. Disclaimer The information in this email and any attachments may contain proprietary and confidential information that is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, retention or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. When addressed to our clients or vendors, any information contained in this e-mail or any attachments is subject to the terms and conditions in any governing contract. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately contact the sender and delete the e-mail.
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I've come across a few people who consider themselves techno producers who don't like anything having to do with Detroit (and, being good little ignorant idiots, they've played at afterhours parties @ Movement) MEK kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 09/08/2009 01:55:09 PM: I think the Beatportal list reflects an idea of techno as strictly having the 4 to the floor beat. A lot of the early tracks had more of an Electro beat. I have a friend in Seattle who was an old school raver, was (and is) a good techno producer, and he'd didn't know Strings Of Life and dismissed it as a big room hands in the air house anthem. You can't assume everyone agrees about even what techno is, at this point. And while Detroit techno fans think of their definition is the one true techno, you will have a hard time convincing people that it is, in fact, the real techno. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Lori Drapergirly...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed, No UFOs or at least Cybotron's Techno City should be on this. WTF. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote: While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan- should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com Disclaimer The information in this email and any attachments may contain proprietary and confidential information that is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, retention or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. When addressed to our clients or vendors, any information contained in this e-mail or any attachments is subject to the terms and conditions in any governing contract. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately contact the sender and delete the e-mail.
Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
Good point about Strings... Kent. To wit - the first time I heard Jaguar I didn't know much about Rolando, didn't know it was his track, and hastily labeled it progressive trance. Hahaha. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:55 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Beatportal list reflects an idea of techno as strictly having the 4 to the floor beat. A lot of the early tracks had more of an Electro beat. I have a friend in Seattle who was an old school raver, was (and is) a good techno producer, and he'd didn't know Strings Of Life and dismissed it as a big room hands in the air house anthem. You can't assume everyone agrees about even what techno is, at this point. And while Detroit techno fans think of their definition is the one true techno, you will have a hard time convincing people that it is, in fact, the real techno. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Lori Drapergirly...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed, No UFOs or at least Cybotron's Techno City should be on this. WTF. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote: While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is pretty good considering it's only one city in the world. If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars and something by Derrick May. ~DP On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the exclusion of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best, disgusting at worst. Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. My top 20 to follow. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
As regards the dreaded 'Progressive' label -- any techno that is at all melodic and builds, ends up getting picked up by the Progressive DJs. The problem with Progressive DJs and producers is they don't know where the line is -- while they'll drop some quality tracks, they'll also drop incredibly trite, pandering slabs of Velveeta. Many a career gets a big economic boost if they end up crossing over and being rated by the big room Progressive DJs. One of the tracks on the upcoming Eevonext Future Veterans (Stefan+KJ) EP has that Progressive-compatible feel, and no one ever accused Stefan of cheesiness, that I know of... It doesn't mean that Progressive DJs aren't sad. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Frank Glazercpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: Good point about Strings... Kent. To wit - the first time I heard Jaguar I didn't know much about Rolando, didn't know it was his track, and hastily labeled it progressive trance. Hahaha. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:55 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Beatportal list reflects an idea of techno as strictly having the 4 to the floor beat. A lot of the early tracks had more of an Electro beat. I have a friend in Seattle who was an old school raver, was (and is) a good techno producer, and he'd didn't know Strings Of Life and dismissed it as a big room hands in the air house anthem. You can't assume everyone agrees about even what techno is, at this point. And while Detroit techno fans think of their definition is the one true techno, you will have a hard time convincing people that it is, in fact, the real techno.
Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
Ah found it! Long live archives, here are the results from waayy back (damn twoplayer, almost forgot all about that): -Original Message- From: marsel [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:00 PM To: nort-tedra.net; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] all time 313 tops | detroit fives | first results | 2001.07.31 one hundred and nine top fives entered five hundred and forty three songs counted | songs top fifteen 18 - carl craig - at les (buzz/planet e) 15 - rhythim is rhythim - icon (buzz/transmat) 13 - 69 - desire (infonet/planet e) 12 - rhythim is rhythim - it is what it is (transmat) 12 - underground resistance - journey of the dragon (ur) 11 - model 500 - night drive (metroplex) 11 - model 500 - no ufo's (metroplex) 10 - underground resistance - hi tech jazz (ur) 09 - underground resistance - jupiter jazz (ur) 08 - r tyme - r theme (transmat) 07 - underground resistance - final frontier (ur) 07 - rhythim is rhythim - strings of life(transmat) 06 - infiniti - game one (metroplex) 06 - underground resistance - illuminator(ur) 06 - kenny larkin - tedra (warp) labels top fifteen 85 - underground resistance 80 - transmat 48 - planet e 46 - metroplex 36 - buzz 20 - kms 16 - rs 15 - axis 14 - red planet 13 - incognito 11 - warp 10 - 430 west 10 - tresor 08 - express 08 - fragile producers top fifteen 80 - carl craig 79 - juan atkins 65 - underground resistance 64 - derrick may 21 - kevin saunderson 20 - drexciya 18 - kenny larkin 15 - jeff mills 14 - robert hood 14 - 'red planet' 11 - burden brothers 10 - james pennington 09 - blake baxter 09 - anthony shakir 07 - rolando carl craig top six 17 - at les 13 - desire 03 - from beyond 03 - ladies gentlemen 02 - [ten different tracks] 01 - [twenty four different tracks] more to come http://www.twoplayer.org/ http://www.forcefield.org/ thank you all for your contribution! transmission on http://nortroute.net soon On 8 sep 2009, at 22:20, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: On 8 sep 2009, at 20:11, kent williams wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Oh hating beatport, now come on Kent, give me a real challenge ;-) I dont think my personal views on beatport will pass the 313 language filters ;-) We used to have a 313 top X online at the old forcefield.org website... hello you in here Marsel? ;-) KJ
Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
As much as i'd love to join the pisstaking, i have to remind you that they're not talking about 20 detroit techno tracks every fan should know. Apart from that, those lists are always purely subjective and will cause mayhem and havoc whenever and whereever they appear. Still think there are much more important records to mention there but then again from a not too stubborn detroit kind of view the list ain't too bad. It'd be worse. There could be some Cirez D track in it :) Furthermore those are just 20 tracks everybody should know - it doesn't say the most important, best or anything like that. I compiled such a list a while ago according to beauty (whatever that means). Can be found here: http://www.ronnypries.de/blog/20-most-beautiful-tracks-ever/ http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list.
Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know
On 8 sep 2009, at 20:11, kent williams wrote: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Oh hating beatport, now come on Kent, give me a real challenge ;-) I dont think my personal views on beatport will pass the 313 language filters ;-) We used to have a 313 top X online at the old forcefield.org website... hello you in here Marsel? ;-) KJ
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Custard Traxx by Neil Landstrumm? It is my personal favorite, but I have met no one else that likes it even remotely close to as much as I do. Some of the tracks there are really good, but the Jeff Mills, Rob Hood, Sterac, Cari Lekebusch and Carl Craig's selections are not their best. Nice try though, and none of them choices offend me with the exception of the Science Fiction choice, which is way off... -- On Tue, 9/8/09, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: From: kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com Subject: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 2:11 PM http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/ Let the beatport hating begin ;-) Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough* I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno tracks' list.
