Re: PING of life...

[Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech]

> On 14 /01 /2021, at 18:42, Graham Langley via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I find it odd that a subset of developers on this "forum" is a good thing.

Let time be the judge of that.


> I love the discuss site,

No one forces you to participate here!


> We should also welcome "smart-arse newbies”.

This would heavily depend on the kind of the newbies.


> Pretty sure we've all whined in the past about the
> lack of new developers.

Are we talking about quality or quantity only?


Cheers
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Re: PING of life...

[Graham Langley via 4D_Tech]

Considering how small the 4D developer community is, I find it odd that a
subset of developers on this "forum" is a good thing. I love the discuss
site, and it's the place to be for anything V18. We should also welcome
"smart-arse newbies". Pretty sure we've all whined in the past about the
lack of new developers. My 2c.



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Re: PING of life...

[Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech]

Lahav,

> On 14 /01 /2021, at 10:24, lists via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> and Jörg, carful with labeling us dinosaur/old timers, we are just well 
> seasoned…..

You’re right. :o)

I’m sure all the dumb-click-newbies see that different.

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RE: PING of life...

[lists via 4D_Tech]

I'm not on here, so I wouldn't know , and Jörg, carful with labeling us 
dinosaur/old timers, we are just well seasoned.

Lahav

   

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Subject: Re: PING of life...

Yeah, I still monitor this list, but there is very little activity. And if 
there’s no activity, what’s the point?

I actually like the new discuss forum. In fact, I like it a lot. I like the 
ability to post pictures and formatted code. I also like that there are lots of 
engaged 4D developers, old and new, posting regularly there. But most 
especially I like that lots of 4D Inc folks are there. 

following the slogan “What happens in/on iNUG stays in/on iNUG”?

I must have missed an important episode here, because I don’t understand what 
that statement means. Was there a controversy at some point? Was it recent? Or 
years ago?

Tom Benedict

On Jan 13, 2021, at 04:32, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

G’day,

Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?

I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in the 
forum any more.

Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
in/on iNUG”?

Cheers
Jörg

> On 01/13/2021 4:32 AM Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> G’day,
> 
> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
> 
> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
> the forum any more.
> 
> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
> in/on iNUG”?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Jörg
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Re: PING of life...

[Neil Dennis via 4D_Tech]

> I must have missed an important episode here, because I don’t understand what 
> that statement means. Was there a controversy at some point? Was it recent? 
> Or years ago?

There was some heated debate recently regarding html vs pdf documentation… I’m 
assuming that is what is referred here.

Neil


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Re: Managing 4D Write Pro licenses

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

To resolve any confusion, "resource" = a "thing" not a "Resource" as in the
Classic Mac OS. In this case, it's a license to use 4D WP.

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:55 PM Douglas von Roeder 
wrote:

> David:
>
> If only user group "X" has access to a resource, it would seem to be a bug
> if someone not in that group could access that resource.
>
> Perhaps a call to 4D tech support could provide clarification.
>
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>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:39 PM David Rose via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
>> Douglas,
>> Whether or not we restrict access to 4D Write via the method you
>> suggested, the first user who logs on after a reboot grabs the 4D Write
>> license whether that user actually uses 4D Write or not.
>> David
>>
>> > Message: 12
>> > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:37:32 -0800
>> > From: Douglas von Roeder 
>> >
>> > David:
>> >
>> > While it's true that 4D WP is not a plugin, access to 4D WP is
>> controlled in the same manner as the plugin — either on an individual user
>> basis or by creating a group and granting access to that group.
>> >
>> > With that in mind, you might be able to either move the user into a
>> group that has access to 4D WP with the Change current user command or move
>> them into the "4DWP" group using Set user properties.
>> > Douglas von Roeder
>> > 949-910-4084
>>
>> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:30 AM David Rose via 4D_Tech <
>> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > We have a 4D Server v17R6 database running in a Windows-only
>> environment.
>> > We have a single 4D Write Pro license. Only one out of our dozen or so
>> > users uses 4D Write Pro. Now that 4D Write is no longer a plug-in, we
>> > have a problem managing access to that license. When 4D Server is
>> > launched, the first user to log in grabs the license. Is there any way
>> to prevent this?
>> > David Rose
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: PING of life...

[THOMAS BENEDICT via 4D_Tech]

Yeah, I still monitor this list, but there is very little activity. And if 
there’s no activity, what’s the point?

I actually like the new discuss forum. In fact, I like it a lot. I like the 
ability to post pictures and formatted code. I also like that there are lots of 
engaged 4D developers, old and new, posting regularly there. But most 
especially I like that lots of 4D Inc folks are there. 

following the slogan “What happens in/on iNUG stays in/on iNUG”?

I must have missed an important episode here, because I don’t understand what 
that statement means. Was there a controversy at some point? Was it recent? Or 
years ago?

Tom Benedict

On Jan 13, 2021, at 04:32, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

G’day,

Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?

I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in the 
forum any more.

Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
in/on iNUG”?

Cheers
Jörg

> On 01/13/2021 4:32 AM Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> G’day,
> 
> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
> 
> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
> the forum any more.
> 
> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
> in/on iNUG”?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Jörg
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Re: Managing 4D Write Pro licenses

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

David:

If only user group "X" has access to a resource, it would seem to be a bug
if someone not in that group could access that resource.

Perhaps a call to 4D tech support could provide clarification.

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:39 PM David Rose via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> Douglas,
> Whether or not we restrict access to 4D Write via the method you
> suggested, the first user who logs on after a reboot grabs the 4D Write
> license whether that user actually uses 4D Write or not.
> David
>
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:37:32 -0800
> > From: Douglas von Roeder 
> >
> > David:
> >
> > While it's true that 4D WP is not a plugin, access to 4D WP is
> controlled in the same manner as the plugin — either on an individual user
> basis or by creating a group and granting access to that group.
> >
> > With that in mind, you might be able to either move the user into a
> group that has access to 4D WP with the Change current user command or move
> them into the "4DWP" group using Set user properties.
> > Douglas von Roeder
> > 949-910-4084
>
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:30 AM David Rose via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > We have a 4D Server v17R6 database running in a Windows-only environment.
> > We have a single 4D Write Pro license. Only one out of our dozen or so
> > users uses 4D Write Pro. Now that 4D Write is no longer a plug-in, we
> > have a problem managing access to that license. When 4D Server is
> > launched, the first user to log in grabs the license. Is there any way
> to prevent this?
> > David Rose
> >
>
>
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Re: Managing 4D Write Pro licenses

[David Rose via 4D_Tech]

Douglas,
Whether or not we restrict access to 4D Write via the method you suggested, the 
first user who logs on after a reboot grabs the 4D Write license whether that 
user actually uses 4D Write or not.
David

> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:37:32 -0800
> From: Douglas von Roeder 
>
> David:
>
> While it's true that 4D WP is not a plugin, access to 4D WP is controlled in 
> the same manner as the plugin — either on an individual user basis or by 
> creating a group and granting access to that group.
>
> With that in mind, you might be able to either move the user into a group 
> that has access to 4D WP with the Change current user command or move them 
> into the "4DWP" group using Set user properties.
> Douglas von Roeder
> 949-910-4084

> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:30 AM David Rose via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:

> We have a 4D Server v17R6 database running in a Windows-only environment.
> We have a single 4D Write Pro license. Only one out of our dozen or so 
> users uses 4D Write Pro. Now that 4D Write is no longer a plug-in, we 
> have a problem managing access to that license. When 4D Server is 
> launched, the first user to log in grabs the license. Is there any way to 
> prevent this?
> David Rose
>


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Re: PING of life...

[Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech]

Just remember, we were all smart ass newbies at some point. 

Sill here but mostly on discuss

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> On Jan 13, 2021, at 11:00 AM, Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 4:32 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> G’day,
>> 
>> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
>> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
>> 
>> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
>> the forum any more.
>> 
>> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
>> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG 
>> stays in/on iNUG”?
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Jörg
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1. Re: PING of life...

[Clive Wilson via 4D_Tech]

Still here.

From Florida USA

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Re: PING of life...

[Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech]

> count me in :)

Yup, me too.

Cheers from Germany,
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Re: Managing 4D Write Pro licenses

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

David:

While it's true that 4D WP is not a plugin, access to 4D WP is controlled
in the same manner as the plugin — either on an individual user basis or by
creating a group and granting access to that group.

With that in mind, you might be able to either move the user into a group
that has access to 4D WP with the Change current user command or move them
into the "4DWP" group using Set user properties.

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:30 AM David Rose via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
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> We have a 4D Server v17R6 database running in a Windows-only environment.
> We have a single 4D Write Pro license. Only one out of our dozen or so
> users uses 4D Write Pro. Now that 4D Write is no longer a plug-in, we have
> a problem managing access to that license. When 4D Server is launched, the
> first user to log in grabs the license. Is there any way to prevent this?
> David Rose
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Re: PING of life...

[Doug Cottrill via 4D_Tech]

sure, count me in.

DKC

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I count as an old timer. 
> 
> Count me in.
> 
> Jody Bevan
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:32 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> G’day,
>> 
>> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
>> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
>> 
>> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
>> the forum any more.
>> 
>> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
>> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG 
>> stays in/on iNUG”?
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Jörg
>> 
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Re: PING of life...

[Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech]

I count as an old timer. 

Count me in.

Jody Bevan

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:32 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> G’day,
> 
> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
> 
> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
> the forum any more.
> 
> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
> in/on iNUG”?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Jörg
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Managing 4D Write Pro licenses

[David Rose via 4D_Tech]

We have a 4D Server v17R6 database running in a Windows-only environment. We 
have a single 4D Write Pro license. Only one out of our dozen or so users uses 
4D Write Pro. Now that 4D Write is no longer a plug-in, we have a problem 
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log in grabs the license. Is there any way to prevent this?
David Rose

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Re: PING of life...

[Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech]

Yep

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 4:32 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> G’day,
> 
> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
> 
> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
> the forum any more.
> 
> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
> in/on iNUG”?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Jörg
> 
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Re: PING of life...

[Neil Dennis via 4D_Tech]

I haven’t left

Neil

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:32 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> G’day,
> 
> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
> 
> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
> the forum any more.
> 
> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
> in/on iNUG”?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Jörg
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Re: PING of life...

[Ken Geiger Gmail via 4D_Tech]

G’day to you! I’m still here as well. 

Ken Geiger

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> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:32 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> G’day,
> 
> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
> 
> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
> the forum any more.
> 
> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
> in/on iNUG”?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Jörg
> 
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Re: PING of life...

[Reiner Kief via 4D_Tech]

So am I, since the CompuServe times. And I'm not planning to quit.
 
Reiner Kief
Connectivity GmbH
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Am 13.01.21, 14:04 schrieb "4D_Tech im Auftrag von Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech" 
<4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com im Auftrag von 4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:

I’m on the list as well.



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Re: PING of life...

[Pascal Geuns via 4D_Tech]

Another ping from an old timer :-)

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> On 13 Jan 2021, at 14.04, Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
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> I’m on the list as well.
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> Randy Kaempen
> Intellex Corporation
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>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:32 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> G’day,
>> 
>> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
>> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
>> 
>> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
>> the forum any more.
>> 
>> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
>> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG 
>> stays in/on iNUG”?
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Jörg
>> 
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Re: PING of life...

[Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech]

I’m on the list as well.


Randy Kaempen
Intellex Corporation


> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:32 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> G’day,
> 
> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
> 
> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
> the forum any more.
> 
> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
> in/on iNUG”?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Jörg
> 
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Re: PING of life...

[nug via 4D_Tech]

count me in :)


> On Jan 13, 2021, at 7:32 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> G’day,
> 
> Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
> discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?
> 
> I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in 
> the forum any more.
> 
> Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
> anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
> in/on iNUG”?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Jörg
> 
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PING of life...

[Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech]

G’day,

Are here still enough dinosaur/old timers present to have some decent 
discussions without that white noise and smart-arse newbies in the forum?

I’m following the lead of my neighbour David Adams and don’t participate in the 
forum any more.

Question is, are there other oldies willing to participate WITHOUT feeding 
anything into the forum(s) following the slogan “What happen in/on iNUG stays 
in/on iNUG”?


Cheers
Jörg

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