Re: 4D for iOS: anyone?
On Sep 11, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Vincent de Lachaux wrote: > in works, coming in a next R release (probably R4) I’m glad to see that Vincent is working on this project. He has a long history of making the 4D projects he works on much better and more useful. I believe he is the engineer that wrote the new Query Editor that replaced the one we've had since 4D v2 days. It’s filled with powerful and useful features. Tim * Tim Nevels Innovative Solutions 785-749-3444 timnev...@mac.com * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D for iOS: anyone?
in works, coming in a next R release (probably R4) > On 11 Sep 2018, at 13:34, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > On Sep 11, 2018, at 2:29 AM, Rudy Mortier wrote: > >> Thanks a lot for the feedback. >> >> I did go back and edit the templates and fields, so that might be the >> problem. >> >> About the selection of data that is downloaded: wouldn’t it be possible to >> control that in the ‘On mobile authentication method’? > > It could be. I’m just not sure where they intend to implement providing that > control. Could be done in several places. We’ll have to wait and see how the > product developers with the v17 R releases to learn more. > > Tim > > Sent from my iPad > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D for iOS: anyone?
I think it refers to My Home > List of posts > R-release channel > Beta version Then in the first box there is a Forum "4D for iOS - Preview", where you can further filter or click on "Create a new topic". John DeSoi, Ph.D. > On Sep 11, 2018, at 3:20 AM, Two Way Communications via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > I have been looking at the forum before but somehow I failed to find this > topic. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D for iOS: anyone?
On Sep 11, 2018, at 2:29 AM, Rudy Mortier wrote: > Thanks a lot for the feedback. > > I did go back and edit the templates and fields, so that might be the problem. > > About the selection of data that is downloaded: wouldn’t it be possible to > control that in the ‘On mobile authentication method’? It could be. I’m just not sure where they intend to implement providing that control. Could be done in several places. We’ll have to wait and see how the product developers with the v17 R releases to learn more. Tim Sent from my iPad ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D for iOS: anyone?
Thanks guys, I have been looking at the forum before but somehow I failed to find this topic. Rudy Mortier Two Way Communications bvba > On 11 Sep 2018, at 09:28, Vincent de Lachaux via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > >> > > > On 10 Sep 2018, at 20:18, Two Way Communications via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: >> >> Is there any place we can get some help? > > Hi Rudy > > There is a dedicated forum here: > http://forums.4d.com/List_Message/EN:0/1/1/1/1/1/14234613/0/0/25105655/-1/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/ > > Feel free to post we are listening > > Regards > > David Azancot (product owner) > Eric Marchand (swift developer) > Vincent de Lachaux (4D developper) > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D for iOS: anyone?
> On 10 Sep 2018, at 20:18, Two Way Communications via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Is there any place we can get some help? Hi Rudy There is a dedicated forum here: http://forums.4d.com/List_Message/EN:0/1/1/1/1/1/14234613/0/0/25105655/-1/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/ Feel free to post we are listening Regards David Azancot (product owner) Eric Marchand (swift developer) Vincent de Lachaux (4D developper) ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D for iOS: anyone?
Hi Tim, Thanks a lot for the feedback. I did go back and edit the templates and fields, so that might be the problem. About the selection of data that is downloaded: wouldn’t it be possible to control that in the ‘On mobile authentication method’? Regards, Rudy Mortier Two Way Communications bvba > On 10 Sep 2018, at 21:20, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > On Sep 10, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Rudy Mortier wrote: > >> Has anyone tried 4D for iOS? >> >> How are the results? >> >> I have tried with a simple database and tried to publish 3 tables. The form >> templates seem to not always display the correct data. >> >> In the test environment, It doesn’t download the data for all 3 tables: >> sometimes only one, sometimes 2. And there is not a lot of records in the >> tables. >> >> Is there any place we can get some help? > > I did a quick conversion of a database to v17 R2 and created a simple iOS > application. It worked almost flawlessly (see below problems). Go through the > wizard to define the tables and fields to use and the list and detail forms > to use. Then click the build button and wait maybe 90 seconds and the iPhone > Simulator program launched and there was my working iOS application. Very > impressive… when it worked. > > Of course the capabilities of the first version are severely limited. Limited > configurability of the detail and list forms. You get many templates but you > can just select what fields to display and in what order and that’s about it. > > Also it is just read only. It downloads all records from the tables you > included to the iPhone and you can then do simple searching on a key field > and view the information. That’s it. No filtering of what records to > download. No updating or editing of the data. When you want to refresh the > data you go to a settings area in the iOS application and click a refresh > button to re-download all the data from a 4D Server that has the 4D Mobile > feature turned on. > > So applications created with this first version are of limited use in the > “real world”. Of course this is just the first version released in v17 R2. So > I would expect R3 to add many more capabilities and fix a lot of bugs. > Hopefully by v17 R5 it will be “fully functional” with the ability to edit > data, recreate new records, automatically sync the data back to 4D Server and > provide more widgets on the forms. > > I didn’t have the problem you experienced… once I got a project completed. It > downloaded all the data from all the tables in my application and it > displayed the data as expected. > > So maybe your 4D for iOS template or definition file got corrupted somehow > during your development of it. I know that I had to start over 3 times. I’d > get started, then change my mind and try to go back in the wizard and edit > and change the template or fields and couldn’t get it to work. So I’d trash > it and start again from scratch. By the third time I was able to go straight > through the process to the end and it worked. > > It’s definitely not ready for prime time at this point, but again it’s not > really intended to be. I’d consider it v0.9 version. I wouldn’t even call it > 1.0 yet. I’m reserving judgment until v17 R5 to see what it’s like then. > Remember at 4D Summit they said 4D for iOS was really a v18 feature. So > expect it to be ready for prime time by then. Now it is just something to > play with… in my opinion. > > Tim > > * > Tim Nevels > Innovative Solutions > 785-749-3444 > timnev...@mac.com > * > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D for iOS: anyone?
On Sep 10, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Rudy Mortier wrote: > Has anyone tried 4D for iOS? > > How are the results? > > I have tried with a simple database and tried to publish 3 tables. The form > templates seem to not always display the correct data. > > In the test environment, It doesn’t download the data for all 3 tables: > sometimes only one, sometimes 2. And there is not a lot of records in the > tables. > > Is there any place we can get some help? I did a quick conversion of a database to v17 R2 and created a simple iOS application. It worked almost flawlessly (see below problems). Go through the wizard to define the tables and fields to use and the list and detail forms to use. Then click the build button and wait maybe 90 seconds and the iPhone Simulator program launched and there was my working iOS application. Very impressive… when it worked. Of course the capabilities of the first version are severely limited. Limited configurability of the detail and list forms. You get many templates but you can just select what fields to display and in what order and that’s about it. Also it is just read only. It downloads all records from the tables you included to the iPhone and you can then do simple searching on a key field and view the information. That’s it. No filtering of what records to download. No updating or editing of the data. When you want to refresh the data you go to a settings area in the iOS application and click a refresh button to re-download all the data from a 4D Server that has the 4D Mobile feature turned on. So applications created with this first version are of limited use in the “real world”. Of course this is just the first version released in v17 R2. So I would expect R3 to add many more capabilities and fix a lot of bugs. Hopefully by v17 R5 it will be “fully functional” with the ability to edit data, recreate new records, automatically sync the data back to 4D Server and provide more widgets on the forms. I didn’t have the problem you experienced… once I got a project completed. It downloaded all the data from all the tables in my application and it displayed the data as expected. So maybe your 4D for iOS template or definition file got corrupted somehow during your development of it. I know that I had to start over 3 times. I’d get started, then change my mind and try to go back in the wizard and edit and change the template or fields and couldn’t get it to work. So I’d trash it and start again from scratch. By the third time I was able to go straight through the process to the end and it worked. It’s definitely not ready for prime time at this point, but again it’s not really intended to be. I’d consider it v0.9 version. I wouldn’t even call it 1.0 yet. I’m reserving judgment until v17 R5 to see what it’s like then. Remember at 4D Summit they said 4D for iOS was really a v18 feature. So expect it to be ready for prime time by then. Now it is just something to play with… in my opinion. Tim * Tim Nevels Innovative Solutions 785-749-3444 timnev...@mac.com * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
4D for iOS: anyone?
Has anyone tried 4D for iOS? How are the results? I have tried with a simple database and tried to publish 3 tables. The form templates seem to not always display the correct data. In the test environment, It doesn’t download the data for all 3 tables: sometimes only one, sometimes 2. And there is not a lot of records in the tables. Is there any place we can get some help? Regards, Rudy Mortier ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
