Re: AW: IP address problem

2020-06-04 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
Lutz,
I could/can post on new forum.
I really am not doing much with 4D right now, since the snug comes to my email, 
I read it occasionally,
also since the last version I worked with is 15 i am not up to date with 
current 4D.

so

Chip

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...
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
...
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. 
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> Hi Chip,
> That's a very good answer. Are you able to post this on the new 
> forum? Chuck posted the same question there. You can find it here:
> https://discuss.4d.com/t/ip-adress-issue-on-server/14033?u=epperlein.lutz
> 
> Regards
> Lutz
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] Im Auftrag von 
> Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
> Betreff: Re: IP address problem
> 
> Chuck,
> There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
> (following assumes DHCP)
> 
> 1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes 
> down during tests the computer does not turn off.
> 1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server) and 
> IP addresses are being changed on the server then there is a switch 
> in the network who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT should 
> track it and fix it ( might need to enter a ticket)
> 
> 2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID 
> (network card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP 
> Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address to 
> a specific MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless 
> of power outage, server reboot, etc and generally the time off the 
> network, the IP address of the computer does not change.
> 
> and BTW 
> - MAC is a network card term and refers to the network card's ID
> - Mac(intosh) is an Apple Computer Co. computer.
> 
> DHCP with manual address usually means that the IP address has been 
> assigned by specific computer Admin, rather than network admin. The 
> IP address assigned this way can (and appears to) conflict with the 
> DHCP server assigning addresses.
> This is because, as I understand it, the DHCP server does not 'know' 
> about the manual address.
> 
> Quickly:
> DHCP hands out IP addresses in a specified range xxx.xxx.xxx.1 - 255. 
> the range can be restricted, say xxx.xxx.xxx.100 - 200.
> and/or the DHCP server can hand out specific IP addresses to 
> specified MAC address, and random to all others.
> Where I was working, IT did all of this.
> Servers, and other devices which required that IP address NOT change 
> over time, (requested to be fixed), were assigned in the range 1- 30, 
> 31 - 220 were for network attached devices (computers, tablets etc), 
> and 220 - 254 were for reserved for printers.
> However, ALL addresses were assigned via DHCP - assigning a manual 
> address was not allowed because:
> the DHC server did not know about it, and could/would hand out the 
> manual IP address to another device - creating a conflict.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> We have a built Client server v 16.x running on a MAC
>> 
>> Network set up is
>> DHCP with manual address
>> 
>> This has been working till about 6n months ago.
>> 
>> The hospital seems to test power outages on  fairly regular basis. 
>> When they do change over to emergency power
>> 
>> The network pane in system preferences loses all except the IP 
>> address and her we go
>> 
>> The 4D server running starts listening on a different IP address. Has 
>> anyone ever seen this before. Tech support is telling me to switch to 
>> manual address.
>> 
>> I have run and used this setup at many other customers
>> 
>> Thanks and regards
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>  Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306
>>  Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064   
>>  mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com 
>>  Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer
>>Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity
>>   http://www.informed-solutions.com  
>> 
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AW: IP address problem

2020-06-04 Thread Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech
Hi Chip,
That's a very good answer. Are you able to post this on the new forum? Chuck 
posted the same question there. You can find it here:
https://discuss.4d.com/t/ip-adress-issue-on-server/14033?u=epperlein.lutz

Regards
Lutz

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] Im Auftrag von Chip Scheide 
via 4D_Tech
Betreff: Re: IP address problem

Chuck,
There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
(following assumes DHCP)

1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes down during 
tests the computer does not turn off.
1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server) and IP 
addresses are being changed on the server then there is a switch in the network 
who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT should track it and fix it ( might 
need to enter a ticket)

2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID (network 
card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP 
Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address to a specific 
MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless of power outage, 
server reboot, etc and generally the time off the network, the IP address of 
the computer does not change.

and BTW 
- MAC is a network card term and refers to the network card's ID
- Mac(intosh) is an Apple Computer Co. computer.

DHCP with manual address usually means that the IP address has been assigned by 
specific computer Admin, rather than network admin. The IP address assigned 
this way can (and appears to) conflict with the DHCP server assigning addresses.
This is because, as I understand it, the DHCP server does not 'know' about the 
manual address.

Quickly:
DHCP hands out IP addresses in a specified range xxx.xxx.xxx.1 - 255. the range 
can be restricted, say xxx.xxx.xxx.100 - 200.
and/or the DHCP server can hand out specific IP addresses to specified MAC 
address, and random to all others.
Where I was working, IT did all of this.
Servers, and other devices which required that IP address NOT change over time, 
(requested to be fixed), were assigned in the range 1- 30, 31 - 220 were for 
network attached devices (computers, tablets etc), and 220 - 254 were for 
reserved for printers.
However, ALL addresses were assigned via DHCP - assigning a manual address was 
not allowed because:
the DHC server did not know about it, and could/would hand out the manual IP 
address to another device - creating a conflict.


Hope this helps

Chip


> Hi All,
> 
> We have a built Client server v 16.x running on a MAC
> 
> Network set up is
> DHCP with manual address
> 
> This has been working till about 6n months ago.
> 
> The hospital seems to test power outages on  fairly regular basis. 
> When they do change over to emergency power
> 
> The network pane in system preferences loses all except the IP 
> address and her we go
> 
> The 4D server running starts listening on a different IP address. Has 
> anyone ever seen this before. Tech support is telling me to switch to 
> manual address.
> 
> I have run and used this setup at many other customers
> 
> Thanks and regards
> 
> Chuck
> 
>  Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306
>  Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064   
>  mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com 
>  Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer
>Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity
>   http://www.informed-solutions.com  
> 
> This message and any attached documents contain information which may 
> be confidential, subject to privilege or exempt from disclosure under 
> applicable law.  These materials are intended only for the use of the 
> intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of this 
> transmission, you are hereby notified that any distribution, 
> disclosure, printing, copying, storage, modification or the taking of 
> any action in reliance upon this transmission is strictly 
> prohibited.  Delivery of this message to any person other than the 
> intended recipient shall not compromise or waive such 
> confidentiality, privilege or exemption from disclosure as to this 
> communication. 
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