Re: Linux in the future?

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Apple announced a 'fill-in' Mac pro - not sure of pricing
it is a beefed up iMac, so.. you will have to deal with an 'all-in-one' 
form factor


On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:43:45 +0200, Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech wrote:
> Neil,
> 
> Yes, we’ve been looking into the Mac Pro as an option to replace a 
> stack of xServes. But the Mac Pro is end- 2013 without any updates. It
> ’s getting long in the tooth and much of the price is for high-end 
> graphics which don’t help one bit. We’ve read rumors of a modular 
> Mac Pro for 2018. We’ll either hold out for that or switch to Win.
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> Le 16 juin 2017 à 16:31, Dennis, Neil  a écrit :
>> 
>>> Thanks for the reply. It’s a pity. With Apple having abandoned 
>>> server hardware years ago,
>>> the only legal choice is Windows. What a shame for a non-Windows 
>>> shop to have to support
>>> a Windows server just for that. That adds lots of cost and complexity.
>> 
>> Just because Apple doesn't have an XServer any more, if you want to 
>> stay non-windows (or just Mac), Apple has some pretty impressive 
>> machines. The Mac Pro is beefy enough to handle even demanding 
>> server loads (12 core 2.7 Xeon processor, 64 GB ram, 1TB flash 
>> storage), the new iMac Pro (coming in December has up to 18 cores, 
>> 128 GB memory 4T SSD, and a 4.5 Xeon processor)
>> 
>> Granted none of these are rack mountable and don't have things like 
>> dual power supplies so they don't count as "servers" but the 
>> performance would rival some of the best windows servers out there.
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
>> 
>> 
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Re: Linux in the future?

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

For best performance, you'll need the 64-bit version of 4D Server, which on Mac 
will require the new network layer. Good luck with that... my last experience 
with v15R4 was that it was still very slow compared to the legacy network layer 
(supported by Windows 64-bit server and all 32-bit clients) and not usable.

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> On Jun 16, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Dennis, Neil via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Granted none of these are rack mountable and don't have things like dual 
> power supplies so they don't count as "servers" but the performance would 
> rival some of the best windows servers out there.

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Re: Linux in the future?

[Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech]

Neil,

Yes, we’ve been looking into the Mac Pro as an option to replace a stack of 
xServes. But the Mac Pro is end- 2013 without any updates. It’s getting long in 
the tooth and much of the price is for high-end graphics which don’t help one 
bit. We’ve read rumors of a modular Mac Pro for 2018. We’ll either hold out for 
that or switch to Win.


Paul


> Le 16 juin 2017 à 16:31, Dennis, Neil  a écrit :
> 
>> Thanks for the reply. It’s a pity. With Apple having abandoned server 
>> hardware years ago,
>> the only legal choice is Windows. What a shame for a non-Windows shop to 
>> have to support
>> a Windows server just for that. That adds lots of cost and complexity.
> 
> Just because Apple doesn't have an XServer any more, if you want to stay 
> non-windows (or just Mac), Apple has some pretty impressive machines. The Mac 
> Pro is beefy enough to handle even demanding server loads (12 core 2.7 Xeon 
> processor, 64 GB ram, 1TB flash storage), the new iMac Pro (coming in 
> December has up to 18 cores, 128 GB memory 4T SSD, and a 4.5 Xeon processor)
> 
> Granted none of these are rack mountable and don't have things like dual 
> power supplies so they don't count as "servers" but the performance would 
> rival some of the best windows servers out there.
> 
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
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Re: Linux in the future?

[Charles Miller via 4D_Tech]

At one of my clients we have a 180 gig data file on previous iteration of 
cylinder mac with attached SSD raid it to about 30 minutes to repair and 
rebuild indices for that data file, so I think it is pretty fast as Neil said

Regards
Chuck 

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On Jun 16, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Dennis, Neil via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
wrote:

>> Thanks for the reply. It’s a pity. With Apple having abandoned server 
>> hardware years ago,
>> the only legal choice is Windows. What a shame for a non-Windows shop to 
>> have to support
>> a Windows server just for that. That adds lots of cost and complexity.
> 
> Just because Apple doesn't have an XServer any more, if you want to stay 
> non-windows (or just Mac), Apple has some pretty impressive machines. The Mac 
> Pro is beefy enough to handle even demanding server loads (12 core 2.7 Xeon 
> processor, 64 GB ram, 1TB flash storage), the new iMac Pro (coming in 
> December has up to 18 cores, 128 GB memory 4T SSD, and a 4.5 Xeon processor)
> 
> Granted none of these are rack mountable and don't have things like dual 
> power supplies so they don't count as "servers" but the performance would 
> rival some of the best windows servers out there.
> 
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
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RE: Linux in the future?

[Dennis, Neil via 4D_Tech]

> Thanks for the reply. It’s a pity. With Apple having abandoned server 
> hardware years ago,
> the only legal choice is Windows. What a shame for a non-Windows shop to have 
> to support
> a Windows server just for that. That adds lots of cost and complexity.

Just because Apple doesn't have an XServer any more, if you want to stay 
non-windows (or just Mac), Apple has some pretty impressive machines. The Mac 
Pro is beefy enough to handle even demanding server loads (12 core 2.7 Xeon 
processor, 64 GB ram, 1TB flash storage), the new iMac Pro (coming in December 
has up to 18 cores, 128 GB memory 4T SSD, and a 4.5 Xeon processor)

Granted none of these are rack mountable and don't have things like dual power 
supplies so they don't count as "servers" but the performance would rival some 
of the best windows servers out there.


Neil


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Re: Linux in the future?

[Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech]

Neil,

Thanks for the reply. It’s a pity. With Apple having abandoned server hardware 
years ago, the only legal choice is Windows. What a shame for a non-Windows 
shop to have to support a Windows server just for that. That adds lots of cost 
and complexity.

Paul


> Le 16 juin 2017 à 15:33, npdennis  a écrit :
> 
>> I remember years ago 4D “Universal” was supposed to run on Linux one day. I 
>> haven’t followed the DEVCONs in a while. Are there still any discussions 
>> concerning a Linux version of 4D Server?
> 
> 
> 
> I haven’t heard anything since “years ago”. I saw it once then never heard 
> again. So if they are still working towards that it will be a surprise to us 
> all :)
> 
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Linux in the future?

[npdennis via 4D_Tech]

> I remember years ago 4D “Universal” was supposed to run on Linux one day. I 
> haven’t followed the DEVCONs in a while. Are there still any discussions 
> concerning a Linux version of 4D Server?



I haven’t heard anything since “years ago”. I saw it once then never heard 
again. So if they are still working towards that it will be a surprise to us 
all :)


Neil




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