AW: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech]

The old 4D forum is now accessible in read-only mode at the old location.
And most of the old forum posts have been migrated to the new forum. Which 
posts were transferred is described here: 
https://discuss.4d.com/uploads/short-url/6GUCGwxhG3VLP7zWpUntMDe9u5x.pdf
to be found at 
https://discuss.4d.com/t/frequently-asked-questions/93

Regards
Lutz

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Von: Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech
Betreff: Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain 
text' ???

Makes sense to me. It would be really useful if 4D were able to archive this
list plus the old 4D forum. I use nabble to search this list which works ok.
Paul

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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Paul,

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:15 AM Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> It would be really useful if 4D were able to archive this
> list plus the old 4D forum.


Check out the KB:  https://kb.4d.com/
In the sidebar on the right, top: "iNug Messages"

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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech]

Makes sense to me. It would be really useful if 4D were able to archive this
list plus the old 4D forum. I use nabble to search this list which works ok.
Paul



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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Same here - see y'all over there

> On May 6, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Jim Labos - infobase via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes! Finally! I'll be using the new one from now on.
> 
> However! Let's leave this one alone at least for searching old posts.
> 
> Looking forward to seeing you all on the new forum.

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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Jim Labos - infobase via 4D_Tech]

Yes! Finally! I'll be using the new one from now on.

However! Let's leave this one alone at least for searching old posts.

Looking forward to seeing you all on the new forum.





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Re: Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Mike Kerner via 4D_Tech]

this really isn't.  at all.  even a little bit.

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> On May 2, 2020, at 12:43, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On May 2, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Tom Benedict wrote:
> >
> > >I say we join the 20th century and move everything to the new forums.
> Shutdown this list on 1 Jun 2020 and >redirect any posts to the new forums.
>
> >Actually Tom, the iNUG is the 20th century. 20th century dates are Jan 1,
> 1901 to Dec 31, 2000. We want to
> >move to the 21st century!  
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I was trying to make the ironic point that we are likely that last tech
> group on earth to move to a rich text online forum. Everyone else made the
> move in the last century, which is now over two decades ago.
>
> >See you all over at https://discuss.4d.com 
>
> I’m on my way!!
>
> Tom
>
> > On May 2, 2020, at 12:43, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On May 2, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Tom Benedict wrote:
> >
> >> I say we join the 20th century and move everything to the new forums.
> Shutdown this list on 1 Jun 2020 and redirect any posts to the new forums.
> >
> > Actually Tom, the iNUG is the 20th century. 20th century dates are Jan
> 1, 1901 to Dec 31, 2000. We want to move to the 21st century!  
> >
> > The new 4D Forums certainly look a whole lot nicer than plain text
> emails. And you hav a lot of formatting options for posts so that’s good.
> >
> > And you can attach files and images to posts. That in and of itself
> should be the nail the this coffin we call the iNUG email list.
> >
> > I agree with you Tom, time to put a fork in this thing. It's done.
> Remove it from the grill.
> >
> > We can all make the iNUG die by just never posting another thing here
> again. Those that MUST continue to live by the iNUG email, can stay. It can
> linger with those diehard users for as long as they find it valuable. I
> guess. So no need to officially kill the iNUG, just let it naturally wither
> and die.
> >
> > I’ll commit to it. This is my last post to the iNUG.
> >
> > See you all over at https://discuss.4d.com
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Walt Nelson via 4D_Tech]

I would second Tom’s motion. Let this thing die its natural Corona induced 
death…finally…sigh…

Thanks,
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> On May 2, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I say we join the 20th century and move everything to the new forums. 
> Shutdown this list on 1 Jun 2020 and redirect any posts to the new forums.

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Re: Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech]

On May 2, 2020, at 12:43, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

>On May 2, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Tom Benedict wrote:
>
> >I say we join the 20th century and move everything to the new forums. 
> >Shutdown this list on 1 Jun 2020 and >redirect any posts to the new forums.

>Actually Tom, the iNUG is the 20th century. 20th century dates are Jan 1, 1901 
>to Dec 31, 2000. We want to 
>move to the 21st century!  

Hi Tim,

I was trying to make the ironic point that we are likely that last tech group 
on earth to move to a rich text online forum. Everyone else made the move in 
the last century, which is now over two decades ago.

>See you all over at https://discuss.4d.com 

I’m on my way!!

Tom

> On May 2, 2020, at 12:43, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> On May 2, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Tom Benedict wrote:
> 
>> I say we join the 20th century and move everything to the new forums. 
>> Shutdown this list on 1 Jun 2020 and redirect any posts to the new forums.
> 
> Actually Tom, the iNUG is the 20th century. 20th century dates are Jan 1, 
> 1901 to Dec 31, 2000. We want to move to the 21st century!  
> 
> The new 4D Forums certainly look a whole lot nicer than plain text emails. 
> And you hav a lot of formatting options for posts so that’s good. 
> 
> And you can attach files and images to posts. That in and of itself should be 
> the nail the this coffin we call the iNUG email list. 
> 
> I agree with you Tom, time to put a fork in this thing. It's done. Remove it 
> from the grill. 
> 
> We can all make the iNUG die by just never posting another thing here again. 
> Those that MUST continue to live by the iNUG email, can stay. It can linger 
> with those diehard users for as long as they find it valuable. I guess. So no 
> need to officially kill the iNUG, just let it naturally wither and die. 
> 
> I’ll commit to it. This is my last post to the iNUG.
> 
> See you all over at https://discuss.4d.com
> 
> Tim
> 

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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech]

On May 2, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Tom Benedict wrote:

> I say we join the 20th century and move everything to the new forums. 
> Shutdown this list on 1 Jun 2020 and redirect any posts to the new forums.

Actually Tom, the iNUG is the 20th century. 20th century dates are Jan 1, 1901 
to Dec 31, 2000. We want to move to the 21st century!  

The new 4D Forums certainly look a whole lot nicer than plain text emails. And 
you hav a lot of formatting options for posts so that’s good. 

And you can attach files and images to posts. That in and of itself should be 
the nail the this coffin we call the iNUG email list. 

I agree with you Tom, time to put a fork in this thing. It's done. Remove it 
from the grill. 

We can all make the iNUG die by just never posting another thing here again. 
Those that MUST continue to live by the iNUG email, can stay. It can linger 
with those diehard users for as long as they find it valuable. I guess. So no 
need to officially kill the iNUG, just let it naturally wither and die. 

I’ll commit to it. This is my last post to the iNUG.

See you all over at https://discuss.4d.com

Tim

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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech]

I say we join the 20th century and move everything to the new forums. Shutdown 
this list on 1 Jun 2020 and redirect any posts to the new forums.

Tom Benedict

> On May 2, 2020, at 08:18, Vincent de Lachaux via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Chip,
> You can activate, for the new forum, the mailing list mode in Preferences > 
> Emails.
> In this mode, topics and categories that you have muted, are not included in 
> these emails.
> You can also make response by mail.
> 
>> I really prefer everything coming to me (email) vs having to go get it 
>> (forum)

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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Vincent de Lachaux via 4D_Tech]

Hello Chip,
You can activate, for the new forum, the mailing list mode in Preferences > 
Emails.
In this mode, topics and categories that you have muted, are not included in 
these emails.
You can also make response by mail.

> I really prefer everything coming to me (email) vs having to go get it (forum)
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Re: iNUG Messages — Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Koen Van Hooreweghe via 4D_Tech]

Hi Chip,

I haven't tested myself, but afak this feature is available in the new 4D 
forum. It is using Discourse (www.discource.org), which offers mailing list 
support.

HTH
Koen

> Op 2 mei 2020, om 07:38 heeft Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> I really prefer everything coming to me (email) vs having to go get it (forum)




Compass bvba
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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

I have been to the new forums - much better then the old one.
however -
I really prefer everything coming to me (email) vs having to go get it (forum)

Chip


> Hi Chris,
> 
> Have you seen the new forums?
> 
>   https://discuss.4d.com
> 
> They should do what you’re after.
> 
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>> On May 1, 2020, at 5:41 PM, Chris Belanger via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you think the iNUG would be so much more useful if it would 
>> support messaging with font attributes (bold, colour, whatever) and 
>> images?
> 
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Re: iNUG Messages ― Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

you need to up your ASCII drawing skills   :)


> 
> It is so hard to explain ‘in text’ something that a snapshot would 
> explain in a second.

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Re: iNUG Messages — Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Hi Chris,

Have you seen the new forums?

https://discuss.4d.com

They should do what you’re after.

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> On May 1, 2020, at 5:41 PM, Chris Belanger via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Do you think the iNUG would be so much more useful if it would support 
> messaging with font attributes (bold, colour, whatever) and images?

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iNUG Messages — Is it time for it to be more than just 'plain text' ???

[Chris Belanger via 4D_Tech]

It would be so much easier to conduct our conversations and ask our questions 
if we could include screen shots, or even just use font colours or bold or 
sizes in a message.
Having to send it all as ‘plain text’ seems 1990’s - ish.

Do you think the iNUG would be so much more useful if it would support 
messaging with font attributes (bold, colour, whatever) and images?

It is so hard to explain ‘in text’ something that a snapshot would explain in a 
second. And it seems so easy to misunderstand what a poster is saying / 
discussing when it has to be entirely written out.

Like, for instance, the ambiguity of terms like ‘object’ and the like.

I understand that images increases storage, transmission, etc. But would the 
benefits outweigh the ‘costs’ ?

Anyway, my two cents,

— Chris
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