Re: [57north-discuss] [57north-announce] Meeting 2014-04-22

2014-04-22 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
I'm covering a lot of things in this email. Please trim your quoting of my
email to just the relevant bit so I can follow it. If you're following up on
two unrelated points, send two emails otherwise this will get out of hand
quite quickly.

 In Iain's absence Carl provided pictures of some cats. One was
 sleeping on a laptop.

Why were these vital pictures not linked in the minutes?

 # New member procedure

Not sure progress happened on this. Is anyone looking at it?

 Iain will talk to Becycle (Iain's theory that he can't be assigned
 work when he's not here is clearly invalid).

My theory was that the meeting was last week, and that no work was assigned
to me at this month's meeting. Also, you can't assign work at meetings. It
doesn't get completed. You can only accept people volunteering.

I will delegate to Cyril though.

 # Themed Thursdays

If there were no volunteers at the meeting, and there was a good turnout for
the meeting (this really should be recorded in the minutes - I have no idea
how many people were there) then maybe we give up on them. Me and Tom
originally said they would only exist as long as people wanted them to
exist.

 Carl has lots of magswipe cards that say Aberdeen Uni - could have
 these if we had a use for them.

These do not sound useful. Magswipe writers are prohibitively expensive.

 ## decision making

It seems to me that decisions aren't actually made. The important stuff gets
shoved into the next meeting, then the next, then the next, then the next,
etc.

 ## Where minutes go

If they're on GitHub, we should remove them from the wiki. The GitHub repo
should also have a consistent naming convention.

 ## Being welcoming
 
 We need to be more welcoming of other people to get more members.
 There has been too much stuff on the mailing list where folks are
 expecting too much technical ability or getting annoyed with people
 because of overly specific expectations of what a hackspace member
 should be. We need more members so everyone needs to try harder to be
 friendly.
 

I do not expect people to have technical ability magically, but I expect
them to want to acquire it, not just go it's a hackerspace as an excuse
for shoddy work.

 ## Decision making
 
 There was some discussion about how we should be making decisions. 
 
 There was no real consensus on how this should be happening for day to
 day decisions. Some points that were hit:


So no decision was made on how we should make decisions?

  * Anything involving spending money should go to the directors


It should probably go to everyone, as a discussion on the mailing list? Two
directors need to sign off on it legally, but members should also be
involved.

  * Directors need a majority of them to agree to have agreement

What? Please clarify.

  * For anything being looked after by someone talk to that someone.

Care to be more vague?

  * Most decisions should go to the mailing list for input from other
people.

Yes.

  * If you suggest doing something on the mailing list and no one
objects after some (undefined) reasonable amount of time then you
have consensus.

Yes.

  * The directors (at least) will be following the mailing list and
will speak up if they have an objection.

No. The directors do not have a responsibility above other members. If
something happens and you don't like it, you should have followed the
mailing list. If you don't want to follow the mailing list, you should
contest the point about the reasonable amount of time.

 # No more meetings?
 
 Trial having all discussions on the mailing list for the next month
 with a meeting still scheduled. The meeting should just be a tick box
 going through
 

A tick box AGM?

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Re: [57north-discuss] [57north-announce] Meeting 2014-04-22

2014-04-22 Thread Tom Jones
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:01:59PM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
  In Iain's absence Carl provided pictures of some cats. One was
  sleeping on a laptop.
 
 Why were these vital pictures not linked in the minutes?

Cat pictures are important, but I feel a specialised site should be created to 
house them. This we can share with the internet community at large.

  ## Being welcoming
  
  We need to be more welcoming of other people to get more members.
  There has been too much stuff on the mailing list where folks are
  expecting too much technical ability or getting annoyed with people
  because of overly specific expectations of what a hackspace member
  should be. We need more members so everyone needs to try harder to be
  friendly.
  
 
 I do not expect people to have technical ability magically, but I expect
 them to want to acquire it, not just go it's a hackerspace as an excuse
 for shoddy work.

We should be nice to anyone no matter what. Though personally I have a very 
short fuze for people that don't want to learn. I hate having to learn when I 
want to do, so I can see where people are coming from. I lead a troubled life.

 
  ## Decision making
  
  There was some discussion about how we should be making decisions. 
  
  There was no real consensus on how this should be happening for day to
  day decisions. Some points that were hit:
 
 
 So no decision was made on how we should make decisions?
 
   * Anything involving spending money should go to the directors
 
 
 It should probably go to everyone, as a discussion on the mailing list? Two
 directors need to sign off on it legally, but members should also be
 involved.

It should go to everyone, but that won't work. In the end all money related 
decisions go through me until we have a bank account. I will ask anyone that 
will listen because I **don'** want to be hated.

   * Directors need a majority of them to agree to have agreement
 
 What? Please clarify.

I thought it was two(2).


 ## AGM

 According to our articles of association we were supposed to have an
 AGM in April so this will be an AGM (if the directors agree and we
 manage to get out an announcement on time...).

This is here 
https://github.com/hackerdeen/articles/commit/58dc945981e15cb751968b22290e9b7f6c4ad68c#diff-8f70be4e1e768e1b1d4787a2b3ea94d5R266

I remember when the proto(We weren't a company then) directors walked through 
the articles we said this would be set to our first aniversary. 

Can some others back this up, I don't think having the AGM in May makes any
sense at all.

-- 
Tom
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The most secure code in the world is code which is never written; The
least secure code is code which is written in order to comply with a
requirement on page 70 of a 100-page standard, but never gets tested
because nobody enables that option.

- Colin Percival
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