Re: [9fans] Plan 9 technical docs and man pages - licensed or public domain?
On 25/07/12 16:06, John Floren wrote: (snip) Just write the code, nobody cares. The manual pages define an interface, and you're going to implement it. The manual pages are copyrighted, sure, because they're written works and are automatically protected by copyright. Besides the recent Google vs. Oracle fiasco, I can't think of a time an open-source project had legal problems by writing new code to implement an API. And, based on a brief reading of http://www.groklaw.net/pdf3/OraGoogle-1202.pdf, it looks as though a US judge has ruled that an API is not subject to copyright; if you implement the 9P API, you should be fine. Also, since you're doing a free reimplementation of code which is currently available free to everyone by the creators (Lucent), I have a hard time figuring out exactly what basis they'd have for a lawsuit. john Hi John - thanks for that. Thanks also to everyone who has commented in this thread - you've been very helpful! This is one of the most helpful lists that I've been on. This feedback is very useful as a guide to how to proceed. Although I'm not running Plan 9 at present (I'm on Linux), I'm very impressed with its elegance. Everything from kbdfs to the plumber to the Venti filesystem - it's all beautifully thought-out. The way that Venti uses SHA1 hashes to store data reminds me a lot of Git (which I also really like - there's another elegantly designed bit of software). Thanks again, all - bye for now :) - Andy
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 technical docs and man pages - licensed or public domain?
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Andy Elvey andy.el...@paradise.net.nzwrote: On 25/07/12 16:06, John Floren wrote: (snip) Just write the code, nobody cares. The manual pages define an interface, and you're going to implement it. The manual pages are copyrighted, sure, because they're written works and are automatically protected by copyright. Besides the recent Google vs. Oracle fiasco, I can't think of a time an open-source project had legal problems by writing new code to implement an API. And, based on a brief reading of http://www.groklaw.net/pdf3/OraGoogle-1202.pdf, it looks as though a US judge has ruled that an API is not subject to copyright; if you implement the 9P API, you should be fine. Also, since you're doing a free reimplementation of code which is currently available free to everyone by the creators (Lucent), I have a hard time figuring out exactly what basis they'd have for a lawsuit. john Hi John - thanks for that. Thanks also to everyone who has commented in this thread - you've been very helpful! This is one of the most helpful lists that I've been on. This feedback is very useful as a guide to how to proceed. Although I'm not running Plan 9 at present (I'm on Linux), I'm very impressed with its elegance. Everything from kbdfs to the plumber to the Venti filesystem - it's all beautifully thought-out. The way that Venti uses SHA1 hashes to store data reminds me a lot of Git (which I also really like - there's another elegantly designed bit of software). Thanks again, all - bye for now :) - Andy Linux of course has v9fs which is a 9P implementation in the kernel.
Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?
unlike newegg, acmemicro does not stock anything so delivery time is long. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Wed Jul 25 00:45:01 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote: We've got some budget left for hardware, so I'm looking for a server suitable for running Plan 9, preferably as good as I can get for about $3000-5000. Buying non-Thinkpad Plan 9 hardware is kind of a crapshoot, and this isn't just some $100 Atom system, so if any of you are running something along these lines, please let me know. I'd most like to see lots of cores and lots of RAM, I don't even want storage (we've got other methods for storage). hey, john, i've had incredible luck with intel servers from supermicro for general beat-about servers. just as a quick suggestion, i'd look at this server here. http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/6017/SYS-6017R-WRF.cfm with 8-core socket-r cpus, you can have 32 cores and 128gb of memory without stretching the budget too much. the intel i350 nics work fine, but for something that hot, i'd get a myircom or intel 10gbe adapter. this was just whatever came up in 5 minutes. you might want to look at this page here for more options http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/Xeon_X9_E5.cfm?pg=SS acmemicro.com (fitting, no?) should have the full range of stuff. - erik
Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?
On Wed Jul 25 12:46:23 EDT 2012, balaji.srinivasa+pl...@gmail.com wrote: unlike newegg, acmemicro does not stock anything so delivery time is long. depends on what you order. you can call 'em up and get an account. they'll let you know, and help you change your order slightly to meet whatever deadline you've got. i've done this a few times personally. - erik
Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 09:44:31AM -0700, balaji wrote: unlike newegg, acmemicro does not stock anything so delivery time is long. Supermicro resellers (like ixsystems) tend to be better about this.
Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?
true, but one order of mine took 2-3 times longer to fulfill than newegg. not attempted returns with these guys either. prices were just about competitive, however, if you're in the bay area you can pick it up and save shipping. the order was just a bunch of 1U supermicros. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:47 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: On Wed Jul 25 12:46:23 EDT 2012, balaji.srinivasa+pl...@gmail.com wrote: unlike newegg, acmemicro does not stock anything so delivery time is long. depends on what you order. you can call 'em up and get an account. they'll let you know, and help you change your order slightly to meet whatever deadline you've got. i've done this a few times personally. - erik
Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?
what are you guys running? java? chrome? I'm fine with 2 cores.
Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?
I don't think that can be a problem if all they compile is plan9 software.
Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?
the real question is: how many catclocks can it run in parallel before the front falls off? ;) -- cinap
