Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine
> Perhaps this is an opportunity for the Plan 9 community to think what it > would mean to run in a phone form factor. From my experience with the > different phone OSes, there's quite a bit of similarity (home screens, > grids of "apps"). Fundamentally, there's nothing about the building blocks in plan 9 are set up to prevent this. You'd need to think hard about providing a good interface to the touch screen, gestures, etc. Possibly an event device that a windowing system could inject interesting events into as it recognized gestures like pinch, scroll, etc. A soft keyboard. Stuff like that. Deciding how to allow text selection and manipulation to work in an ergonomic fashion when you can't even double click easily, let alone chord the mouse. And then the hard part: You'd need to patch every graphical program. For many -- eg, rio, acme and sam -- I suspect that there's no saving them, and phone capable alternatives will just have to be written. So, a small amount of work on input, and then a ton of rewriting the code that exists. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca918503d5b19459-M70b66b307172f3b8ddcb5a77 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine
Hello Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:20:19PM -0400, Chris McGee wrote: > > Perhaps this is an opportunity for the Plan 9 community to think what it > > would mean to run in a phone form factor. > > https://github.com/floren/hellaphone > and > https://github.com/bhgv/Inferno-OS-bhgv I've also come across https://github.com/sirnewton01/acme-phone Pleasure
Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:20:19PM -0400, Chris McGee wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm not sure how many on here are aware of the Pine SBC's. There are a few > different variants of those. Now there are even pre-built laptops and a > phone. There is a plan for a tablet too. https://www.pine64.org/ I have the Pinebook Pro and the Pinephone. Both are fun toys of no real value. The Pinebook Pro is almost good, but like all touchpad-only laptops, it has an absolutely unusable mouse builtin. It's even worse than other touchpads, and it's rare for me to be able to differentiate them. The phone lasts anywhere from forty minutes to five hours to a charge cycle, depending on the phase of the moon. The best feature they've got is the ability to output serial over the headphone jack, with an appropriately-wired cable, which I also have. > I wonder for example if it might spark some more interest for people to try > Plan 9 if they knew that there is a source of inexpensive and standardized > hardware and things work mostly out of the box. There is already a source of inexpensive and standardized hardware. If people won't try Plan 9 on an x86 machine they can get for $50 on eBay, why would they try it on a $200 laptop with a weird processor? Regardless, I'm willing to run whatever tests might be helpful for people interested in doing this development work. I have all the gear. > Perhaps this is an opportunity for the Plan 9 community to think what it > would mean to run in a phone form factor. https://github.com/floren/hellaphone and https://github.com/bhgv/Inferno-OS-bhgv may interest you. khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca918503d5b19459-Md35de1dfa8a8dc99c3e18c84 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine
> then we have a hardware line capable of running it There was never any reason why whoever wanted to do phone stuff couldn't just run 9vx on those Atom phones from Lenovo. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca918503d5b19459-M234c6ab135d2d3d7c3af12e3 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
[9fans] Plan9 and Pine
Hello All, I'm not sure how many on here are aware of the Pine SBC's. There are a few different variants of those. Now there are even pre-built laptops and a phone. There is a plan for a tablet too. https://www.pine64.org/ >From what I can tell the hardware is well documented, inexpensive and well enough designed. There is a vibrant community that is currently working on porting different Linux flavours to the phone. Once things are stable the pine store will begin selling branded versions of the phone with the OS pre-installed and a portion of the profit going to the community to continue their work. Has anyone managed to port Plan 9 to these SBC's? Does anyone have an idea of how much work this would involve considering there's already 64-bit arm toolchain in place and raspberry pi working? Thinking longer term, might it be interesting or useful to this community to support some of this hardware, even if it was just the Allwinner SoC's, representing two of the SBC's lines, the original laptop, tablet and phone? I wonder for example if it might spark some more interest for people to try Plan 9 if they knew that there is a source of inexpensive and standardized hardware and things work mostly out of the box. I have some more far-fetched thoughts. Please, be gentle. :) Perhaps this is an opportunity for the Plan 9 community to think what it would mean to run in a phone form factor. From my experience with the different phone OSes, there's quite a bit of similarity (home screens, grids of "apps"). Maybe this can be done in more of a Plan 9 style, simpler, smaller, more composable and no teletypes (or X). If the community comes up with something then we have a hardware line capable of running it. If the system is compelling enough to outsiders and a partnership is established with the pine group then that might be an avenue to fund continuing improvements. And then, what about the tablet? Thanks for reading. Cheers, Chris -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca918503d5b19459-M5b625ce2ded89f4b59696e3a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
