Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

[Duke Normandin]

BTW, for Plan 9 noob enlightenment, HN ran this article today:

http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/1st_edition/designing_plan_9
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Duke
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> On Jan 18, 2022, at 3:19 PM, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, at 03:54, Antonio Barrones wrote:
> [snip]
>>> I understand that Plan 9 is not being developed anymore,
>> It is not developed anymore in Bell Labs, but many of the original 
>> developers are part of the Plan9 Foundation and they are promoting it 
>> in different ways: https://plan9foundation.org/activities.html So I 
>> would not say that it "is not being developed anymore". 
> 
> The Plan 9 Foundation activities page 
> (https://plan9foundation.org/activities.html) states, "Preparing for a new 
> release, including patches".
> 
> Regards,
> Vester "Vic" Thacker

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Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

[vic . thacker]

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, at 03:54, Antonio Barrones wrote:
[snip]
>> I understand that Plan 9 is not being developed anymore,
> It is not developed anymore in Bell Labs, but many of the original 
> developers are part of the Plan9 Foundation and they are promoting it 
> in different ways: https://plan9foundation.org/activities.html So I 
> would not say that it "is not being developed anymore". 

The Plan 9 Foundation activities page 
(https://plan9foundation.org/activities.html) states, "Preparing for a new 
release, including patches". 

Regards,
Vester "Vic" Thacker

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Re: [9fans] Unable to load page in Abaco

[Steve Simon]

you need

ip/ipconfig
ndb/cs
ndb/dns
webfs
abaco

the ipconfig call may need a -R if you want to use dhcp rather than having a 
static ip from ndb.

nsd/cs will set the sysname based on matching the mac address in lib/ndb/local,
and this will be put in your prompt of any shell. this is nice but not required 
for abaco

-Steve


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Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

[Kurt H Maier via 9fans]

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 01:54:02PM -0500, Antonio Barrones wrote:
> Linux distros are not only "Linux", they are GNU/Linux.  Linux is only the 
> kernel of a GNU/Linux system (a distro). Android is not a distro because they 
> don't have GNU, but Android is "Linux" because it has Linux as kernel. 

Please keep FSF FUD off this list.  Alpine is a Linux distro and doesn't
rely on GNU.  There are, and always have been, several such.  Copyright
cultists riding on coattails notwithstanding, there isn't much point in
belaboring such terminology, since Plan 9 is not typically distributed
in modular packages, but as an integrated system, and GNU cruft doesn't
readily build on it anyway.

khm

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Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

[Humm]

Quoth Antonio Barrones:
Linux distros are not only "Linux", they are GNU/Linux.  Linux is only 
the kernel of a GNU/Linux system (a distro). Android is not a distro 
because they don't have GNU, but Android is "Linux" because it has 
Linux as kernel.


Linux distros are not only Linux, they are whatever other software they 
consist of and Linux.  Some of that might be developed under the 
umbrella of the GNU project, much of it likely isn’t.  The term 
“GNU/Linux” is garbage.


Android is yet another operating system using Linux.  It seldom getting 
called “Linux distro” stems from it being used very differently (Java 
hell) and perhaps from how hard it is to see its Unix-like-ness.  That 
has nothing to do with how much of it is part of the GNU project.


It is not developed anymore in Bell Labs, but many of the original 
developers are part of the Plan9 Foundation and they are promoting it 
in different ways: https://plan9foundation.org/activities.html So 
I would not say that it "is not being developed anymore".


Patches for Plan 9 exist.  Forks exist.  Yet, Plan 9 stays the exact 
same.  Plan 9 with patches is Plan 9 with patches.  9front is 9front.  
Plan 9 has a modification timestamp of 2015.


From the little I see, the Plan 9 Foundation changes little there.  
Plan 9, with a timestamp of 2015, now is licensed under an Expat 
license.  And retains its timestamp.


So no, Plan 9 is not being developed anymore.

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Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

[Antonio Barrones]

> I understand that Android isn't a fork of Linux, I meant to imply that 
> although Android is argued to be a Linux distro
Linux distros are not only "Linux", they are GNU/Linux.  Linux is only the 
kernel of a GNU/Linux system (a distro). Android is not a distro because they 
don't have GNU, but Android is "Linux" because it has Linux as kernel. 
> I understand that Plan 9 is not being developed anymore,
It is not developed anymore in Bell Labs, but many of the original developers 
are part of the Plan9 Foundation and they are promoting it in different ways: 
https://plan9foundation.org/activities.html So I would not say that it "is not 
being developed anymore". 

Antonio B. 

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Re: [9fans] Unable to load page in Abaco

[antonio . fin]

Try with 
DNSSERVER=8.8.8.8 (or any other dns server) before webfs.

Antonio 

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Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

[Humm]

Quoth Matt:
I see. Now that I look at it, 9fans its more similar to 9front than 
Plan 9 indeed. My confusion arose from the description being "Fans of 
the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs". Besides that, the subreddit is r/plan9, 
and people seem to talk more often about Plan 9 itself than 9front. 
Thanks for clearing it up.


The subreddit, except there is no “the subreddit”.  Just another place 
where people who don’t know Plan 9 ask people who don’t know Plan 9 
about whatever they currently think Plan 9 is.


In the wild, I see more people talking about plan9port than about Plan 9.

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RE: [9fans] Unable to load page in Abaco

[Saif Resun]

Hello Steve!

After running these:
ip/ipconfig
ndb/dns
webfs
abaco

and then running  the Google command from the top  I am getting this error:

[cid:image003.png@01D80C08.EFC81AD0]

any solution?

Thank you.

_resun

From: Steve Simon
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 12:55 PM
To: 9fans
Subject: Re: [9fans] Unable to load page in Abaco


li looks like you are not running ndb/dns.

you need to start this before webfs, and then start abaco after that.

sadly the web has moved on a but since abaco was written - it used to render 
most pages quite well. These days its lack of javascript is more and more of a 
problem.

-Steve

On 17 Jan 2022, at 8:22 pm, Saif Resun  wrote:

Hello there! I am Resun. I was trying to use internet in Plan9 but I am always 
unable to load a page in abaco. After a lots of trying I managed to get 
connected to the internet but in abaco I am getting this error:


Can someone please help get rid of this?
Thank you.

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