Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

[Calvin Morrison]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, at 3:24 AM, Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans wrote:
> I believe if Nokia published a Lucent Public License Version 2 which
> was identical to the P9F MIT license that would fully resolve the
> issue of re-licensing of contributions because the LPL v1.02 allows
> re-licensing to later versions of the LPL.
> 
> Anonymous AWK fan
> 
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Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

[Calvin Morrison]

Awesome! Congrats!

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021, at 9:06 AM, a...@9srv.net wrote:
> We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of
> Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the
> Plan 9 from Bell Labs code, from the earliest days through their final
> release.
> 
> The most exciting immediate effect of this is that the Plan 9 Foundation
> is making the historical 1st through 4th editions of Plan 9 available
> under the terms of the MIT license. These are the releases as they
> existed at the time, with minimal changes to reflect the above.
> 
> 1st and 2nd edition were never released as open source software, and
> both (but especially 1st edition) were only available to a very small
> number of people. 3rd and 4th were previously available as open source,
> but under a license which was problematic for some people (especially
> the 3rd edition). We think making these available under the MIT license
> is something that's going to be a significant benefit for all projects
> using Plan 9 code. While this doesn't automatically change the license
> on any downstream projects, and you're welcome to keep using the LPL if
> you like, you now have the option of switching to MIT, which we think
> most everyone will find preferable.
> 
> Obviously, for folks in the Plan 9 community, there isn't a way to say
> "thank you" to Bell Labs, and its various parent organizations, that's
> really adequate. None of us would be talking about any of this if it
> weren't for the work done there for decades. All of us here at the Plan
> 9 Foundation express our sincerest thanks to the team at Nokia who made
> this possible, the Plan 9 alumni who supported the effort, and the Plan
> 9 community who have kept kernels booting and the userland useful.
> 
> The historical releases are available right now at:
> https://p9f.org/dl/
> 
> You can read Nokia's press release on the transfer here:
> https://www.bell-labs.com/institute/blog/plan-9-bell-labs-cyberspace/
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> Anthony Sorace
> Plan 9 Foundation

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter

[Calvin Morrison]

It's ok, plan9 will get disputed by twitter fact checkers before a twitter 
presence is established.


On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, at 10:55 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> You know Trump has email, right? ;-) 
> 
> D
> 
> > On Nov 12, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Lucio De Re  wrote:
> > 
> > On 11/12/20, Skip Tavakkolian  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle
> >> @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community.   Please
> >> consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics,
> >> please try to include this handle in your announcements.
> >> 
> > Is that a good idea? I, for one, have no intention of ever sharing a
> > medium with Donald Trump.
> > 
> > Lucio.

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Re: [9fans] Re: Flakey DNS server

[Calvin Morrison]

Didn't they sell bearings to the Nazis?

- an actual swiss citizen

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> It's a virtual city in Switzerland, which is famously neutral (hence Geneva 
> as location for various international organisations, and indeed as a setting 
> for several TV series)
> 
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:23 PM  wrote:
>> Wes Kussmaul  writes:
>> 
>> > On 10/7/20 12:08 AM, Lucio De Re wrote:
>> >> my situation is getting
>> >> more difficult as norms on the Internet are being bent by service
>> >> provider that care for their profitability much more than for
>> >> interoperation
>> >
>> > I suggest taking a look at https://www.osmio.ch/
>> 
>> I don't get it.  That Web site appears to be the municipal homepage for
>> a city in Switzerland that uses digital certificates as official
>> government-recognized ID.  What does that have to do with anything?
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Re: [9fans] Who is behind 9p.io

[Calvin Morrison]

I believe it's glenda

On Thu, May 7, 2020, at 10:47 PM, freen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I noticed that someone changed the official WWW site for Plan 9 from Bell 
> Labs in the Wikipedia article on Plan 9 to https://9p.io/plan9 from the 
> original https://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/ that I had once set it to (way 
> back when when that site was still online). My apologies if this information 
> be available elsewhere (did a quick Duck Duck Go search and couldn’t find any 
> info), but who is behind the https://9p.io/plan9/ WWW site? The site says 
> “Copyright © 2014 Alcatel-Lucent,” but AFAIK that entity doesn’t exist 
> anymore. Should we be archiving or mirroring 9p.io in case that site goes 
> off-line one day just as the original plan9.bell-labs.com site did?
> Thanks, and stay safe and healthy
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Re: [9fans] libdate

[Calvin Morrison]

> Time zones are loaded by as name.  

Extra word?


On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, at 8:54 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Date handling on plan 9 is almost adequate today if you don't
> have to parse dates or deal with timezones, and don't do
> multithreading. Otherwise, it's difficult to get right, and
> we often don't.
> 
> We've got a crappy home-rolled date parser in seconds(1),
> a few in the upas source tree to deal with mail formats,
> and git9 has a few hacks around this as well.
> 
> Out of tree, joe9 has been trying to write code that takes
> stock information in one timezone and moves them to another,
> and our APIs there are completely inadequate.
> 
> So, I tried to write a library that is adequate, without
> being complicated.
> 
> The code lives here:
> 
> https://git.eigenstate.org/ori/date.git
> 
> I'll probably be merging in the changes between Tmd and Tm
> soon, and committing to 9front, possibly even as part of libc.
> 
> Some additional work is probably going to be needed to convert
> from IANA zoneinfo to actually bring our timezone data up to
> date. We may also need some timezone info format changes to
> handle political (and leap second) changes.
> 
> The manpage is attached below for review:
> 
> TMDATE(2)   TMDATE(2)
> 
> NAME
>  tmnow, tmgetzone, tmtime, tmstime, tmparse, tmfmt, tmnorm, -
>  convert date and time
> 
> SYNOPSIS
>  #include 
>  #include 
> 
> typedef struct Tmd Tmd;
> struct Tmd {
>   vlongabs; /* seconds since Jan 1 1970, GMT */
>   int sec; /* seconds (range 0..59) */
>   int min; /* minutes (0..59) */
>   int hour; /* hours (0..23) */
>   int mday; /* day of the month (1..31) */
>   int mon; /* month of the year (0..11) */
>   int year; /* year A.D. - 1900 */
>   int wday; /* day of week (0..6, Sunday = 0) */
>   int yday; /* day of year (0..365) */
>   char zone[];   /* time zone name */
>   int tzoff;/* time   zone delta from GMT */
> };
> 
> Tzone *tmgetzone(char *name);
> Tmd*tmnow(Tmd *tm, char *tz);
> Tmd*tmtime(Tmd *tm, vlong abs, Tzone *tz);
> Tmd*tmstime(Tmd *tm, vlong sec, Tzone *tz);
> Tmd*tmparse(char *fmt, char *tm, Tzone *zone, Tmd *dst);
> int   tmfmt(char *buf, usize nbuf, char *fmt, Tmd *tm);
> void tmnorm(Tmd *tm);
> void tmfmtinstall(char *fmt);
> 
> DESCRIPTION
>  This family of functions handles simple date and time manpu-
>  lation.  Times are represented as an absolute instant in
>  time, combined with a time zone.
> 
> Time zones are loaded by as name.  They can be specified as
> the abbreviated timezone name, the full timezone name, the
> path to a timezone file, or an absolute offset in the HHMM
> form.
> 
> When given as a timezone, any instant-dependent adjustments
> such as leap seconds and daylight savings time will be
> applied to the derived fields of struct tm, but will not
> affect the absolute time.  The time zone name local always
> refers to the time in /env/timezone.  The nil timezone
> always refers to GMT.
> 
> Tmgetzone loads a timezone by name. The returned timezone is
> cached for the lifetime of the program, and should not be
> freed.  Loading a timezone repeatedly by name loads from the
> cache, and does not leak.
> 
> Tmnow gets the current time of day in the requested time
> zone.
> 
> Tmtime converts the millisecond-resolution timestamp 'abs'
> into a Tm struct in the requested timezone.
> 
> Tmstime is identical to tmtime, but accepts the time in sec-
> onds.
> 
> Tmparse parses a time from a string according to the format
> argument. The result is returned in the timezone requested.
> If there is a timezone in the date, then we tzshift to the
> local timezone.
> 
> The format argument takes contains zero or more of the fol-
> lowing components:
> 
> Y, YY, 
>  Represents the year.  YY prints the year in 2 digit
>  form.
> 
> M, MM, MMM, 
>  The month of the year, in unpadded numeric, padded
>  numeric, short name, or long name, respectively.
> 
> D, DD
>  The day of month in unpadded or padded numeric form,
>  respectively.
> 
> W, WW
>  The day of week in short or long name form, respec-
>  tively.
> 
> h, hh
>  The hour in unpadded or padded form, respectively
> 
> m, mm
>  The minute in unpadded or padded form, respectively
> 
> s, ss
>  The second in unpadded or padded form, respectively
> 
> z, Z, ZZ
>  The timezone in named, [+-]HHMM and [+-]HH:MM form,
>  respectively
> 
> a, A Lower and uppercase 'am' and 'pm' specifiers, respec-
>  tively.
> 
> [...]
>  Quoted text, copied directly to the output.
> 
> Any characters not specified above are copied directly to
> output, without modification.
> 
> If the format argument is nil, it makes an attempt to parse
> common human readable date formats.  These formats include
> ISO-8601,RFC-3339 and RFC-2822 dates.
> 
> Tmfmt formats a Tm 

Re: [9fans] IWP92020 Announcement

[Calvin Morrison]

Nah I'm a lurker, I read and chat, a Hiro of sorts I don't contribute much.

Mostly interested in talks and demos and meeting some of the familiar names on 
the lists, not super interested in hacking, I think I would mostly slow things 
down.

Maybe I can proofread man pages

Calvin

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, at 11:33 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> > If I show up do I have to do anything?
> 
> Nope. Do what you want.
> 
> But to me, the question reads oddly. It seems like the
> reason for attending would be that you want to  or do
> something. 
> 
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Re: [9fans] IWP92020 Announcement

[Calvin Morrison]

If I show up do I have to do anything?

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, at 9:16 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> IWP92020 is happening. Submit papers and sign up here:
> 
> http://iwp9.org
> 
> Hope to see you there!
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Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Calvin Morrison]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, at 8:03 AM, hiro wrote:
> this is the case on any other mailing lists or only a topicbox-internal
> standard...

Quite right. RFC2369 describes most of the standard headers you'll be used to. 
However, I'm not aware of a permalink to web archives for each individual post.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2369

Cheers,
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Re: [9fans] 9legacy usb kb/mouse?

[Calvin Morrison]

Kenji,

Offtopic.

I got your first email. I'll take a look at it if you have a problem, and If 
you can be more specific it will help me debug.

(Currently I am supporting topicbox for Fastmail)

Thanks,
Calvin.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, at 11:11 PM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote:
> Wao!
> New mail server DOES accept my email!
> Thanks, Russ.
> 
> Kenji
> 
> Attachments:
> * Email.eml

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Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Calvin Morrison]

Message Recieved!

happy trails.
Calvin

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 13:37, Russ Cox  wrote:
>
> By all appearances, 9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.
>
> The 9fans archives now hosted at Topicbox contain all the messages
> formerly at 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating
> all the way back to July 1993. For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans.
>
> Thanks very much to Calvin Morrison and the Topicbox team for their help!
> I'm quite excited to have 9fans running on a properly maintained system
> after all this time.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>
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Re: [9fans] MailRoute: Past Due Invoice for 9fans.net

[Calvin Morrison]

I suggest topicbox. ML as a service, spam filtering, plus I work
there. We can import old emails in without much work. I use it
internally for work. I don't really think about it. It works. Frontend
won't work on a browser without JS.

ex: http://illumos.topicbox.com/


Thanks
Calvin

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 01:01, Lucio De Re  wrote:
>
> On 8/9/19, Skip Tavakkolian  wrote:
> > Thank you for everything that goes into 9fans' upkeep.
> >
> Let me add my own gratitude to Skip's. Not just to Russ, who clearly
> does all the weight-lifting here, but everyone else that is keeping
> 9fans and thus everything-9 alive.
>
> Honestly, I can't imagine what my life would be like without the
> sanity of Plan 9 and its band of 9fans to preserve my own sanity.
>
> Lucio.
>

Re: [9fans] Rc port.

[Calvin Morrison]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 09:00, Federico Benavento  wrote:
>
>  I’ve been able to survive quite well on a regular Mac terminal with it.
> Thanks for trying it.
>

feature i would ove: something equiv to a PS1 line so i know what
folder i'm in. Can I do that with $prompt?

Calvin.

Re: [9fans] Rc port.

[Calvin Morrison]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 08:41, Federico Benavento  wrote:
>
> Hola,
>
> I just uploaded a standalone unix (only tested on macOS/Linux) port with 
> edit, history and completion support to GitHub.
> I have been using it as my primary shell for months on macOS and it’s seems 
> to be working pretty well.

rc is a great shell. It's interface just isn't optimal with a fake TTY
like we use on linux. I think the merits of the shell outweigh that.
I've been using rlwrapper for a while which gives me command history
and thats nice, but completion will be cool too!

btw could'nt get it to compile without adding

diff --git a/unix.c b/unix.c
index 5c89243..1f88f69 100644
--- a/unix.c
+++ b/unix.c
@@ -11,6 +11,7 @@
 #include 
 #include 
 #include 
+#include 
 #include 
 #include 

[9fans] Fwd: [PLUG] Brian Kernighan speaking at Princeton ACM tomorrow night

[Calvin Morrison]

Of interest to anyone in New Jersey.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Walt Mankowski 
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 11:24
Subject: [PLUG] Brian Kernighan speaking at Princeton ACM tomorrow night
To: 


Hi everyone,

Brian Kernighan will be speaking at the Princeton ACM meeting tomorrow
night. Dr. Kernighan worked at Bell Labs in the early days of Unix and
is currently a professor of Computer Science at Princeton
University. He's the co-author of The C Programming Language, The Unix
Programming Environment, and many other books. He's also the "K" in
AWK.

I've seen Kernighan speak before on a number of different subjects and
he's a fantastic speaker. Sadly I can't go because my company holiday
party is tomorrow night, but I encourage you to go if you can make
it. Directions are in the PDF linked in the forwared email below.

Walt

- Forwarded message from Dennis Mancl  -

Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:52:08 -0500
From: Dennis Mancl 
To: princeton-acm-not...@listserv.acm.org
Subject: ACM Princeton Chapter - reminder of Dec. 13 meeting

Upcoming Princeton ACM/ IEEE Computer Society Meetings and Events

Thursday Dec. 13 - "Too Many Numbers," Brian Kernighan, Princeton Univ., 8:00pm

-

PRINCETON ACM / IEEE-CS CHAPTERS
DECEMBER 2018 JOINT MEETING

   Too Many Numbers - new book by Brian Kernighan

Brian Kernighan is our December speaker -- he will be talking about
his new book, "Millions, Billions, Zillions".  The target audience of
this book is "all of us" -- even diehard math-phobes will learn some
ideas, shortcuts, and strategies to work with the numbers that are
trying to fool us.

Books on sale:  Labyrinth Books will be selling copies of Brian's book
at the meeting (cash and credit cards accepted) – and there will be an
opportunity after the meeting to get the author to autograph the book.

   Date: Thursday December 13, 2018, 8:00pm
 (refreshments at 7:30pm)
   Place: Princeton University Computer Science Building
 Large Auditorium, Room CS 104
 35 Olden Street, Princeton NJ
   Information: Dennis Mancl (908) 285-1066
   On-line meeting notice:  http://PrincetonACM.acm.org/meetings/mtg1812.pdf

All ACM / IEEE-CS meetings are open to the public. Students and their
parents are welcome.  There is no admission charge.

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Re: [9fans] acme under plan9port : made to work?

[Calvin Morrison]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 at 11:44, Mayuresh Kathe  wrote:
>
> i apologise up-front for asking this on 9fans, but, how is acme and
> plumber and all it's utilities (including upas) made to work under
> non-plan9 systems via plan9port; on say something like linux or even mac
> os x?
>
> do they have some kind of user-level library which emulates 9p?
>
> ~mayuresh

take a look plan9port/src/lib9p/

also take a look at libixp:

http://repo.cat-v.org/libixp/

Re: [9fans] I want manual of OS

[Calvin Morrison]

On 31 July 2014 11:22, Joseph Stewart joseph.stew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Would a service like http://www.lulu.com/ work for this? I don't know
 what their cut is


lulu would be perfect for this, plus it's easy to format stuff to work with
lulu. Who cares what the cut is?

Re: [9fans] GSoC '14

[Calvin Morrison]

Did anyone post a recoup of the GSOC 13 results? I'd like to see what
happened, what process was made. Did that draw(3) html frontend ever
get finished?

On 25 January 2014 22:37, Shane Morris edgecombe...@gmail.com wrote:
 My vote is on the GUI builder - I'd like to see that one happen. Sorry, I
 don't think I'm GSoC material, I just build hardware, and put the minimum
 level of software on it to work...


 On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Conor Williams conor.willi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

·A device driver for Plan 9 for an unsupported device

 ·A GUI builder for the Plan 9 control graphics library

 ·Porting of the Tcl tool-kit Tk and the Tk GUI builder Xf

 ·VRML support for the Httpd

 ·Writing of an editor similar to Vi for Plan 9

 ·An Html front end to the PQ database system. This would involve
 adding PQ support to the Httpd

 ·Java support for Plan 9

 ·A lockable screen saver for Plan 9

 ·Mpeg support for Plan 9

 ·Addition of load balancing support into Plan 9



 On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 2:14 AM, Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Conor Williams
 conor.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
  ok...

 Feel free to send your ideas to the list in the meantime...

 Steve

Re: [9fans] [GSoC] sorry for the last email

[Calvin Morrison]

Politics... no.

It is most likely to do with taxes and other paperwork. it would be a
huge hassle for Google to employ students all over the world, more
hassle than it is worth apparently.


On 23 April 2013 03:02, steve st...@quintile.net wrote:
 thats a real shame.

 its a pity when politics gets in the way of education - I assume this
 is the problem, i apologise if not.

 -Steve

 On 22 Apr 2013, at 21:37, lamg gort.andres...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry guys, I didn´t know that students in Cuba cannot participate,
 anyway I will upload the markdown engine when completed to github.com
lamg

Re: [9fans] [GSoC] sorry for the last email

[Calvin Morrison]

On 23 April 2013 16:26, Iruatã Souza iru.mu...@gmail.com wrote:
 how naive.

Yes politics under the surface, but for Google, they don't want to
deal with any of that, so they just restrict it.

 On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Politics... no.

 It is most likely to do with taxes and other paperwork. it would be a
 huge hassle for Google to employ students all over the world, more
 hassle than it is worth apparently.


 On 23 April 2013 03:02, steve st...@quintile.net wrote:
 thats a real shame.

 its a pity when politics gets in the way of education - I assume this
 is the problem, i apologise if not.

 -Steve

 On 22 Apr 2013, at 21:37, lamg gort.andres...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry guys, I didn´t know that students in Cuba cannot participate,
 anyway I will upload the markdown engine when completed to github.com
lamg

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 in Summer of Code 2013!

[Calvin Morrison]

I'm interested!
On Apr 8, 2013 7:31 PM, a...@9srv.net wrote:

 Folks,

 We're in! Plan 9 has been accepted to participate in this year's
 Summer of Code. This will be our fifth year participating, and as for
 the past few, we'll be again serving as an umbrella organization for
 the extended family of Plan 9 projects, including Inferno, Plan 9 from
 User Space, and so on.

 I've filled in our profile on Melange (the webapp that Google uses
 to run the program) so we're visible on the accepted-orgs list[1], but
 I'm still going around updating various things, so (for example) the wiki
 isn't updated yet. This should all be done shortly.

 So now the fun work starts. We need to get as many students as
 we reasonably can interested in what we're doing and convinced that
 working with us for a summer is a good plan (and, really, who could
 argue with that?). More students yield more accepted projects, and
 better ones to pick from.

 We could also still use more mentors and ideas, of course. The
 ideas page[2] is still the correct place to submit those. Just follow the
 format of the existing example and attach your name for any idea
 (including existing ones) you'd be willing to mentor for. As a reminder,
 putting your name there now is not a commitment to mentor any
 particular proposal; we'll still evaluate those as they come in.

 The next big milestone is when student applications open on
 April 22. Until then, come hang out in #plan9-gsoc or #plan9 on
 irc.freenode.net if you're interested in answering student questions.

 This is pretty exciting.
 Anthony

 [1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013
 [2]
 http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/gsoc-2013-ideas/index.html

Re: [9fans] John Floren, Im trying to make the world better

[Calvin Morrison]

On 18 March 2013 09:34, vvs...@gmail.com wrote:

  All this tells us is that wealth doesn't cure clinical depression.

 I wasn't aware that he was suffering from it. Any evidence?


The government killed him. Now put on your tin foil hats and march in
single file.

Re: [9fans] ANTS: Better in every single way than standard plan 9. Stop using p9p.

[Calvin Morrison]

I'm one of those silent things. I don't often write on this list but I read
intently. I am interested in ANTS and plan9 but only as a hobby.

I applaud the work of those people involved but prefer to sit on the
sidelines while I work on my own separate projects

ANTS supporter,
Calvin Morrison


On 16 March 2013 16:31, vvs...@gmail.com wrote:

 THEN TELL ME ANTS SUCKS
 
 THEN I PAYPAL YOU FIFTY BUCKS

 I don't think that ANTS sucks. On the contrary, it seems very useful to me.
 Usually, one of a hundred will share their opinion. So, you have at
 least 99 people
 who think that it's great but won't bother to tell.

 And who needs money anyway :)

Re: [9fans] arcnet

[Calvin Morrison]

On 21 February 2013 14:26, Jeff Sickel j...@corpus-callosum.com wrote:

 On Feb 21, 2013, at 12:44 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:

 However, because of its simple, robust nature, ARCNET controllers are
 still sold and used in industrial, embedded, and automotive
 applications.

 Sounds positively anachronistic.  Thanks for the clarification.

 and so is rs-232.  usb is the way of the future.  :-)  i say this with
 toungue in cheek, of course.  old does not lie along the useful
 axis.

 rs-232/422/485 has a lot going for it, more so than usb.  Well, at least
 until usb-optical cables become cheaper than copper, and even then you've
 got component costs that are more expensive.  Moving to ethernet at least
 opens up the ability to use MODBUS TCP.

 -jas




Anyone look at the website?  Kinda cool

http://www.arcnet.com/

Re: [9fans] arcnet

[Calvin Morrison]

On 21 February 2013 14:39, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah, an other quote from that website:

 Designers write their own application layer to meet their particular
 needs and frequently do not advertise the fact that ARCNET is being
 used in their product. ARCNET receives no name recognition, but is
 frequently the network of choice in embedded applications. It is
 hidden from the user, but with over 22 million ARCNET nodes sold gives
 credibility that ARCNET is indeed popular.


It makes me think that it might be congruent to unix in this fashion.
Every day users have no idea what unix servers are, but the internet
runs on it.

Apparently ARCNET used so much, but we never even hear about it! The
silent hero...

Re: [9fans] c++

[Calvin Morrison]

On 19 November 2012 04:59, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote:

 I need to learn c++ for work - people have strong opinions on
 languages I know, and not everyone likes c++ but its a requirment for me.

 I really want to develop a good sence of c++ style, I learnt C at the feet
 of
 KR and then the plan9 sourcecode so I learnt how to write clean elegant
 code
 (I think :-). The problem I am finding is there are many c++ styles and I
 have
 yet to find a clean and elegant one.

 anyone sugest a project that I could look at that contains well written
 code?
 failing that is there a book that teaches good style?

 I am refering to things like adding a leading m_ to class member variables
 (which looks horrid to me but I am willing to learn), and smart locks
 (mutexs
 which unlock on destruct).

 Thanks for any suggestions.

 -Steve


Isn't all C code valid C++? problem solved.

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

[Calvin Morrison]

On Oct 18, 2012 2:34 PM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Erudite Glenda in Winter?

 On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote:
  Precisely.  The correlation between what makes something
  good and what makes something popular is small but negative.
  One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that
  it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the
  commercial junk out there.
 
  I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png
 
 
  john


I used plan9 before it was cool

-- full time philosopher/part time starbucks barista

Re: [9fans] Uriel

[Calvin Morrison]

On 14 October 2012 15:55, Sergey Zhilkin szhil...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh  F*ck...
 R.I.P

 Bad news.

 воскресенье, 14 октября 2012 г. пользователь Julius Schmidt писал:

 I am very sorry to inform you that uriel has passed away recently.

 He will be missed.



 --
 Sent from Gmail Mobile

I'm speechless.

Re: [9fans] a cute small Intel cube

[Calvin Morrison]

On 24 September 2012 07:22, Balwinder S Dheeman
bsd.sans...@anu.homelinux.net wrote:
 On 09/24/2012 02:50 PM, arn...@skeeve.com wrote:
 Hi All.

 This might make an interesting 9box:

 http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/13/intels-core-i3-nuc-mini-boards-set-to-hit-mket-in-october-po/

 Click the following, if above said link does not work for you:
 http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/13/intels-core-i3-nuc-mini-boards-set-to-hit-market-in-october-po/
 http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/14/intels-core-i3-nuc-mini-system-bares-it-all-for-idf-hands-on-v/

 --
 Balwinder S bdheeman Dheeman
 (http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/)


but why not stick an i5 or i7 in there? heat dissipation in the small
form factor?

Re: [9fans] Thinkpad 345cs

[Calvin Morrison]

On 17 July 2012 10:30, hiro neu 23h...@gmail.com wrote:



now just get that x series in the corner of the picture up and running :P

Calvin

-sent from my X220

Re: [9fans] Thinkpad 345cs

[Calvin Morrison]

On 17 July 2012 11:03, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote:

 those others are already working nicely ;)
 also see http://h1ro.dyndns.org/nein/x20.jpg
 and http://h1ro.dyndns.org/nein/ac100.jpg


wow awesome!

Calvin

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert

[Calvin Morrison]

On 31 May 2012 10:39, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The curious Z spelling was to avoid using a trademarked word in a generic
 sense.


 But I believe Xerox lost that ability, as their name became a verb in the
 common vernacular.  At least I believe I heard that in a marketing class I
 had in college.

 That said, it seems people can and will sue for basically anything.  I vote
 we call it Kevin as a result.

 Dave



 On 30 May 2012 22:05, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote:

 The
 initial Z just doesn't work for me.




It is better to ask forgiveness than permission -

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

[Calvin Morrison]

On 30 May 2012 11:25, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger).

 dop.  dop!  make it stop!
 i can't not
 will not
 have a dop!

 - erik


copy?

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

[Calvin Morrison]

On 30 May 2012 12:17, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote:
 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On 30 May 2012 11:25, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger).

 dop.  dop!  make it stop!
 i can't not
 will not
 have a dop!

 - erik


 copy?


 That surely won't be confused with the Snarf functionality at all


Snarf is a dumb name. It isn't well named.

 tr.v. snarfed, snarf·ing, snarfs Slang
 To eat or drink rapidly or eagerly; devour: snarfed down some cookies.
 [Probably sn(ort) + (sc)arf.]

Calvin

Re: [9fans] nice terminal...

[Calvin Morrison]

I was just thinking about this while drinking my coffee.

A few perspective problems :

1. Broadcom drivers that are more locked down than Mr. Manson.

2. The boot process is insanely weird. It's boots by bootstrapping the GPU
or something crazy.

3. No cd-rom drive to do a CD install. Probably easy to work around (I've
only installed it this way)

Calvin
On Mar 20, 2012 8:35 AM, Nicolas Bercher nberc...@yahoo.fr wrote:

 Does anyone know about the Plan 9 support status for the Raspberry Pi ?

 Nicolas

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

[Calvin Morrison]

On 18 March 2012 20:37, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 On Sun Mar 18 19:51:00 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote:
 Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in
 whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other
 products. Plan 9 has a small community and an even smaller number of
 people who actually use it. Unfortunately, I don't think there's
 enough money there to pay for 1 GSoC-equivalent student, especially
 considering that the project may turn out to be something the
 contributors have very little interest in.

 GSoC works great for Google because they have the money  organization
 to do it. It builds good-will for them and helps them scout potential
 employees while also (ideally) improving open source projects. The
 only thing 9fans has out of that list is the interest in improving an
 open source project :)

 i'm not ready to dismiss this idea.  there are student, project, mentor 
 tuples i'd
 be willing to pony up gsoc-level money for.

 - erik


I am a student who would be interested in doing GSOC next year. In
reality it all comes down to getting paid though. Like someone
mentioned, very little work gets done on free will, so gsoc is a
good approach. (especially implementing not so fun things nobody dares
touch)

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

[Calvin Morrison]

On 18 March 2012 22:04, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 I am a student who would be interested in doing GSOC next year. In
 reality it all comes down to getting paid though. Like someone
 mentioned, very little work gets done on free will, so gsoc is a
 good approach. (especially implementing not so fun things nobody dares
 touch)

 that's one way of looking at it.  another way of looking at it is that
 the best jobs are the ones that you'd do anyway.  and one could argue
 these lucky people get the best job done.


Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project
they are really invested in.

But if that was true enough, wouldn't tons of people be stepping up to
support plan9 development?

If not, then obviously it's not worth anyone's time.

Calvin

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

[Calvin Morrison]

On 18 March 2012 22:16, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project
 they are really invested in.

 But if that was true enough, wouldn't tons of people be stepping up to
 support plan9 development?

 If not, then obviously it's not worth anyone's time.

 your argument seems to me to be an all-or-nothing logical fallicy.

But in the context of GSOC, it's all or nothing. People willingly
contribute small stuff, and hobby stuff. I see GSOC as a time where a
project can get a lot of work done, pay the developer, and make sure
they do it well.

I regularly contribute to a few small Open Source projects. If I could
get paid to do it, I would be spending a lot more time with the
project :-)

 i don't think the fact that the plan 9 community is small is an indication
 that it's not worth spending time on.  if that were the case, i'd be looking
 for a new job right now.  as it is, we're hiring.

I agree with this. In the linux world I help out with Trinity Desktop
Environment, a KDE3 continuation. I often see small being a bad
thing. Personally I love it.

Sorry for being misleading, sort of just rambling

Calvin

Re: [9fans] GSoC 2012

[Calvin Morrison]

On 24 February 2012 11:13, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote:

 Folks:
The fine folks over at Google's Open Source Programs
 Office have announced the 2012 edition of Summer of
 Code. I intend to submit an application for Plan 9 to again
 participate. I'd like your help in making this year a success.

We had one major problem last year. Between Google's
 decision to focus on bringing in a larger number of smaller
 organizations and our own group's tendency to be pretty
 hands-off on marketing, we got an abysmal showing in the
 student application process. We got very few applications
 (7, from memory), and only 3 of those (at best) were viable.
 We were given two slots for student projects.

This is bad for a few reasons. Obviously it means we
 don't get as many people exposed to our code and our
 community, we don't get as much work done, and we don't
 have the opportunity to create new contributors, which is
 the fundamental point of GSoC. It also makes our numbers
 pretty vulnerable when, as happened last year, one
 student goes silent at midterms and never resurfaces.

This year, I'd like to make an explicit call for help from
 our community in getting the word out. I know we have
 several members who're attached to higher education
 institutions; that's really the best route here. It's likely that
 your school provides several ways of getting this program
 in front of students; It'd be wonderful if you could look into
 those. I've spoken to a few of you individually, but I'm sure
 there are several more I'm not aware of.

If you'd like help in terms of written text, presentation
 outlines, whatever, just let me know. There's a good
 collection of such things that folks have done for GSoC in
 the past, and I'm happy to point you at relevant ones of
 those or help you create more specific things. Just let me
 know what you need. A good place to start is the FAQ[0].

In the mean time, I'll be going through the wiki and
 giving it a good scrubbing, moving the 2011 pages out of
 the way and preparing for 2012. I'd encourage anyone
 who's got some free time to take a look at that, as well.
 And, of course, we'll need projects! Think about what
 would make a good summer-sized project for a student.
 And if you're at all interested in Plan 9's participation in
 GSoC, I'd suggest joining the Google group for the
 topic[1], where most of the discussion in the summer
 goes on.

Aside from that one major issue, last year went well. I
 was able to get good feedback from a few people during
 the application process, mentors signed up without
 hassle, reviews of student applications were done well
 and promptly. I'd like to thank everyone who's participated
 so far, and I hope you'll sign up again once that's open.

 Anthony

 [0]
 http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs
 [1] http://groups.google.com/group/plan9-gsoc


How can I apply for GSoC as a student? is it to late?

Calvin Morrison

Re: [9fans] GSoC 2012

[Calvin Morrison]

On 24 February 2012 11:23, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote:

 Op 24 februari 2012 11:19 heeft Calvin Morrison
 mutanttur...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:
 
 
  On 24 February 2012 11:13, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote:
 
  Folks:
 The fine folks over at Google's Open Source Programs
  Office have announced the 2012 edition of Summer of
  Code. I intend to submit an application for Plan 9 to again
  participate. I'd like your help in making this year a success.
 
 We had one major problem last year. Between Google's
  decision to focus on bringing in a larger number of smaller
  organizations and our own group's tendency to be pretty
  hands-off on marketing, we got an abysmal showing in the
  student application process. We got very few applications
  (7, from memory), and only 3 of those (at best) were viable.
  We were given two slots for student projects.
 
 This is bad for a few reasons. Obviously it means we
  don't get as many people exposed to our code and our
  community, we don't get as much work done, and we don't
  have the opportunity to create new contributors, which is
  the fundamental point of GSoC. It also makes our numbers
  pretty vulnerable when, as happened last year, one
  student goes silent at midterms and never resurfaces.
 
 This year, I'd like to make an explicit call for help from
  our community in getting the word out. I know we have
  several members who're attached to higher education
  institutions; that's really the best route here. It's likely that
  your school provides several ways of getting this program
  in front of students; It'd be wonderful if you could look into
  those. I've spoken to a few of you individually, but I'm sure
  there are several more I'm not aware of.
 
 If you'd like help in terms of written text, presentation
  outlines, whatever, just let me know. There's a good
  collection of such things that folks have done for GSoC in
  the past, and I'm happy to point you at relevant ones of
  those or help you create more specific things. Just let me
  know what you need. A good place to start is the FAQ[0].
 
 In the mean time, I'll be going through the wiki and
  giving it a good scrubbing, moving the 2011 pages out of
  the way and preparing for 2012. I'd encourage anyone
  who's got some free time to take a look at that, as well.
  And, of course, we'll need projects! Think about what
  would make a good summer-sized project for a student.
  And if you're at all interested in Plan 9's participation in
  GSoC, I'd suggest joining the Google group for the
  topic[1], where most of the discussion in the summer
  goes on.
 
 Aside from that one major issue, last year went well. I
  was able to get good feedback from a few people during
  the application process, mentors signed up without
  hassle, reviews of student applications were done well
  and promptly. I'd like to thank everyone who's participated
  so far, and I hope you'll sign up again once that's open.
 
  Anthony
 
  [0]
 
 http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs
  [1] http://groups.google.com/group/plan9-gsoc
 
 
  How can I apply for GSoC as a student? is it to late?

 This year's program has not yet started; application submissions will
 begin soon for organizations. After that, it will be a bit before
 student applications begin being accepted. So it's definitely not too
 late. Just check out the timeline at
 http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012. Hopefully
 we are accepted again this year, and you can apply.

 --dho

  Calvin Morrison


After reading the F.A.Q it is apparent that I do not fit the eligibility
requirements this year. I am interested in working on a project in the
future however.

Thank you,

Calvin Morriso

Re: [9fans] awk reading?

[Calvin Morrison]

On 25 December 2011 11:35, Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote:

 Winston Kodogo wrote:
  I resisted buying
  it for years, on the grounds of its extraordinary price on Amazon,
  succumbed eventually, and have never regretted it.

 I buy my books on abebooks.  I've bought many gems for $0.99.  Looking
 at the books I've bought, the average price I payed is $4.  Yes, it's
 not a typo.

 They have some very rare books as well.

 --
 Aram Hăvărneanu


+1

Abebooks has a great listing of books and for relatively good prices. They
offer a wide selection of used books as well. I've managed to grab my own
copy of K   R :)

Calvin Morrison